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 #44940  by Woodie
 Wed Sep 13, 2017 10:16 am
I guess that the Canadian law is not as strict concerning what constitutes a recallable flaw.
 #44947  by Ronzuki
 Thu Sep 14, 2017 2:06 am
The shocks & bump stops issue wasn't viewed as a "safety" problem (as in one that would likely cause loss of life), so it wasn't a "recall". Merely a TSB, a repair change procedure. I got mine replaced the very week my 3yr/36k mile warranty would have run out based on mileage. After that, it would've been over $800 to replace the shocks and bump stops.

Extended warranties don't cover everything either. Need to read about what is, and isn't, covered before purchasing them. Then decide if it enough coverage for the $$ or not. Usually not.
 #46365  by KuroNekko
 Fri Feb 02, 2018 9:02 pm
delusional29 wrote:This is on my list of things to do on my Kiz. Mine are shot.

I need to research parts. I'm assuming it's an easy job?

DeL


I haven't changed the rear shocks on my Kizashi myself (it was covered under warranty when I had the issue), but I've done the job on a Mazda3. The rears are easy, especially if you have a breaker bar or impact wrench to remove the shock bolts. Other members here who have done the job themselves say it's easy. Just make sure to get the corrected rear bump stoppers or the new shocks can go bad prematurely.
 #46367  by delusional29
 Fri Feb 02, 2018 9:40 pm
Thanks! Can you kindly link me to a tutorial or parts list? I saw some on Amazon that would fit, but I want to make sure I grab the right parts.

I'm no stranger to getting my hands dirty with the Kiz. I've swapped out the brakes and rotors (both front and rear), swapped out spark plugs, new horn and as you know the HID upgrade kit for the low beams. This will be yet another repair I can notch on my belt. :-)

DeL
 #46373  by Woodie
 Sat Feb 03, 2018 1:51 pm
If you've done those things, you can do this. It's not a big deal, took me maybe two hours. Everything you need to know is in the TSB download/file.php?id=2414 People are saying that their new replacements are failing, so I'm not so sure the new and improved bump stops are the majik solution Suzuki claimed them to be. That's what I thought when I put them on, didn't have much faith that those grooves were going to make a big difference. I think I'd slather them with grease when I put them on, maybe that would keep the water out.
 #46377  by KuroNekko
 Sat Feb 03, 2018 8:02 pm
Woodie wrote:If you've done those things, you can do this. It's not a big deal, took me maybe two hours. Everything you need to know is in the TSB https://kizashiclub.com/forum/download/file.php?id=2414 People are saying that their new replacements are failing, so I'm not so sure the new and improved bump stops are the majik solution Suzuki claimed them to be. That's what I thought when I put them on, didn't have much faith that those grooves were going to make a big difference. I think I'd slather them with grease when I put them on, maybe that would keep the water out.


Given the comments on this topic in this thread and others, I'm not so sure that the bump stopper was changed to the proper revised one for everyone when the rear shocks were replaced. It's evident that some mechanics don't understand or care that the bump stoppers need to be replaced, not only the failed shocks.
Also, the revised bump stoppers not only featured the side grooves but also had a different inner diameter to prevent the issue.

delusional29 wrote:Thanks! Can you kindly link me to a tutorial or parts list? I saw some on Amazon that would fit, but I want to make sure I grab the right parts.

I'm no stranger to getting my hands dirty with the Kiz. I've swapped out the brakes and rotors (both front and rear), swapped out spark plugs, new horn and as you know the HID upgrade kit for the low beams. This will be yet another repair I can notch on my belt. :-)

DeL


There is this video on the topic. It should help with the installation however it's clear he's a DIY guy who didn't know about the bump stopper issue given his multiple rear shock replacements on the Kizashi. He also reuses the bad bump stopper in the video. This is the problem. I think many simply do not know about it. I commented on the youtube video to let him know the bump stoppers are the problem so he doesn't keep doing this due to premature failure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uupng1WffCM&t=2s
 #46381  by Ronzuki
 Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:26 pm
My rears are making the same noises as the last time they were replaced by the dealer w/ the new bump stops. They lasted a bit longer mileage wise and probably only because I've pretty much garaged the car for most of the past 3 winters here in PA. I honestly don't think the 'new' bumstops are a permanent remedy, simply a bit of a life extender. The real problem is the bumpstop being incorporated ON the shock's piston rod in the first place. Great idea in concep...t in a perfect, crudless world. Any type of hydraulic cylinder's piston is is supposed to be hard-chromed, but let's face it, the quality of that plating process in an automotive application is nothing compared to the extensive and expensive process employed in say heavy equipment hydraulics. There's always going to be a place for moisture and contaminants to accumulate causing corrosion in the Kizashi's design. Likely be better off w/o the bump stop and the inner wheel well covers installed...for shock longevity purposes only.

Off-road shocks that people install those blingy colored boots covering the shock pistons ALWAYS corrode the shaft causing seal failure. Those things trap moisture and contaminates that corrodes the entire length of the shaft. They do not allow air in to dry things up. The rust and crud works its through the seals during normal use and become trapped. Failure is a guarantee. Uncovered shocks last infinitely longer and shocks whose seal design permit inverted installation last virtually forever if there's been no contact damage to the piston's shaft. The Doessch Techs I had installed on the Samurai were capable of this, and the rears were inverted. Over the 16 or so years they were abused, they were submerged routinely in PA coal slurry (nasty, fine, gritty muck), never washed, fully compressed and extended routinely during use and were still dampening just fine with no issues. These are not expensive shocks either, they're the low-budgetDT3000 streetable shocks...with good seals. The guy that bought it from me recently had the thing PA state inspected and those same shocks passed safety inspection.

The amount of PA road crud that fell out of from behind the inner wheel wells of my Kiz when they replaced my shocks was astounding. It was piled up on the floor. Enough that they actually went looking for a dust pan and brush to sweep it up before they dropped the car to the ground. That's the flaw of the design and we're just going to have to live with it.
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