2600 miles... and here's the list.
Wow......calm down and take a breath. I'm not dismissing anyone or any problem, in fact, to the contrary, my FIRST comment was that it is obvious there were early paint issues. I also said water bourne paint or not, no paint should chip as easily as some on this forum have.Cherish wrote:Firstly... We didn't have any chips until 2500~2600 miles either. So let me urge caution on your part when dismissing people who are reporting this issue. You aren't there yet. Just sayin'.volunteer wrote:
While it's fairly obvious some of the early build cars had paint issues, that doesn't mean some of the issues you have are NOT impact related. Speed of your vehicle has nothing to do with it. In 2003 I was driving my new Audi home from the dealership the day I bought it and got hit by something that put a gash in the front bumper. I was going about 20 mph. I've had my windshield cracked sitting at a red light from something that came off of another vehicle crossing an intersection. Not saying you may NOT have paint issues, but just because you rarely hit 40mph doesn't mean a chip can't be legitimately impact damage. You have to remember, if Suzuki just agreed that EVERY chip on every car was a "paint defect", they would be out of business in a matter of months. And believe it or not, there are perhaps one or two owners that are more determined to cover their ass and blame someone else than most corporations are to cover theirs. In a over litigious society like the US, they have no choice. And yes, what they told you about using water bourne paints now is absolutely true. They have been extensively tested though and shouldn't chip as easily as some cars appear to on this forum. Teething issues with a new system on the early build cars most likely. I drive interstate about 95% of the time, rarely below 75mph. No chips in 1,500 miles (knock on wood).
For your info, we have been babying the car... it is never in a situation where it's being pommelled by rocks... Even the day we took it out in the snow we were a little pussy with it... So... you know, it's a shame that the car might look like it's been abused in off-road conditions before it turns two years old when really it's just a "to work and back" car.
Secondly... and this is important for you to be told, since you seem to have lumped us all into this category... My husband and I are not litigious people. However, we do hold businesses to high expectations when it comes to their word and supporting their product. We won't appreciate it when we are told we are abusive to our cars, when we are not, no matter if it's Mark Hurd the Turd himself, or sweet, old, 90 year old Granny Jackson down the street... so I will thank you now for taking us out of that lump.
Having been burned TWICE by mega CORPORATIONS in the last 5 years... I don't need a lecture on Corporate business practices and legal gymnastics... so you will have to pardon my general distrust of the kinds of language used by corporations in general. The recent Bp vs Congress showdown comes to mind... Of course it wasn't more than 1000 er 5000 er 10000 barrels a day.
Is it fair to view all corporations with a dubious eye? Probably not. But here's the deal... Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice... er.. uh... ya can't get fooled again.
Look, we were sold a number of things on this car... the quality of paint was absolutely one thing we did not think we needed to consider... why? Because car manufacturers have had over 100 years to get this one right... and also... we are not first time car owners... In our experience, we did not need to consider this. Indeed, in 1993, I bought a used 1988 Corsica with 64K miles on it (it was replacing a 1982 Oldsmobile Firenza that I sold to my sister for 600 bucks)... at the time, I lived in Rural Illinois, where maintenance on the roads generally entailed tar and gravel. Despite numerous scuffs and "dull spots" the first actual paint chip it got was in 1996...at 85K miles...In my youth, and stupidity, I was trying to wash off some stuck on bird shit with a high pressure washer and accidentally peeled back the paint to the grey primer. Whoops, lesson learned there, yeah? After a string of Saturns(that never had any paint issues), I bought my 2003 Toyota Rav4. It currently has 75K miles on it... It has the same number of chips on it that my Kizashi has... In fact, the 2007 Nissan Frontier with 18000~ miles on it that we traded in for the Kizashi that drives the same route... No chips that we were aware of and if there were, it wasn't in the same quantity category.
I think I read somewhere that GM has been using water-based enamels for over a decade... I don't see a lot of Primer colored GMs on the road.
So, it's not like we have nothing to compare it too... Cars probably should not be chipping up like this under the conditions mine is being driven... We don't live in the sticks and we don't tailgate gravel trucks and the car only has a 10 mile round trip circuit to do through suburban Johnson County, Kansas. The worst thing that happens to it, really, is that it bakes in a parking lot for 8 hours a day.
But don't you worry none... I will remember your dismissive and condescending remarks when you come back to complain about the chips that appear on your car.
Now if you will excuse me, I hear chainsaws... I think I have to go supervise KCPL who a few weeks ago hung a bunch of yellow stars on a bunch of trees in my backyard.
My point was that impact damage can happen to a car sitting in a parking lot. It was simply a statement. I didn't accuse you of being full of BS or trying to deceive anyone. YOU made the comment that you were calling BS on the possibility of impact damage because you rarely take the car over 40mph. I mentioned my personal experiences in the past. For God's sake, someone saying a chip could be impact damage is FAR from accusing you of abusive treatment of your car. Nor did I "lump" you into the category of litigious. I simply said that a company can't simply accept every claim against their product because there ARE people like that.
Try to realize that when someone offers some information, it doesn't mean they are accusing you of something or attacking you. I'm very sorry you have been burned by "mega corporations". That doesn't mean all companies are bad. Any comment that does not 100% agree with you is NOT an attack on you. If what I posted offended you, please accept my apologies. I'll be sure to make a mental note not to comment on any of your posts in the future. Hope all works out well with your car.
A'ight then... we're cool.