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 #48003  by redmed
 Sat Oct 13, 2018 8:49 am
Maybe there is a TPMS alternative in the works! This Iron Gates TPMS simulator is supposedly only for Suzuki's in Europe and 2013+ but I don't see why it wouldn't work for our Kizashi's.
https://spooftpms.com/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09hvUeUw02Q
 #48006  by Ronzuki
 Sat Oct 13, 2018 1:28 pm
Cool. Spend money to have a useless POS system in the car in the first place. Spend more money to trick it in to thinking everything is A-ok. Brilliant. The off-shore electronics junk houses are loving life.

There's probably at least a 100 reasons why it wouldn't work, and only one reason it would...the current EU system's electronics are identical to our old NA cars. How likely is that in this day and age of never ending electro-gadgetry 'upgrades'?

Dude's got the right idea though I'll give hime credit...

https://spooftpms.com/untested-models-promo/
 #48056  by kellogs
 Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:19 am
Hello,

I am Catalin from Iron Gates TPMS (the links above). Not sure if extending the simulator's usage to US cars would be any good for my business, so, to figure this out:
I have noticed that US Suzukis can be put into learn mode at home, no visit to the dealer required. So I wonder why not try the already existent simulator from
https://www.ebay.com/itm/SUZUKI-Tire-Pr ... :0&vxp=mtr
or the even cheaper Chinese sensors at
https://www.ebay.com/itm/4X-OEM-New-TPM ... :0&vxp=mtr

Thanks & let me know
 #48057  by Ronzuki
 Mon Oct 22, 2018 12:14 pm
Hello Catalin, welcome.

While it is true that it is possible to put the U.S. spec TPMS in learn mode, the process can be, and is, extremely "fickle". Begin reading link below at post #262 for the latest round of a member's aggravation to relearn the TPM Sensors in his car:

viewtopic.php?f=28&t=2764&hilit=tpms+dealerless&start=260

Personally, I have no use for TPMS as I check the pressures in all my vehicles regularly and when the time eventually comes that any of the systems develop a problem, I have zero interest in spending any of my time or money to "fix" whatever is wrong. I simply want the annoying light gone and the car to pass the mandatory annual state safety inspection as cost effectively as possible.

Thank you for posting and providing a link to the alternative simulator, however, I'd prefer a device that does not require batteries for numerous reasons.
 #48085  by kellogs
 Sat Oct 27, 2018 10:13 pm
Looks like there is not much demand for it and the market already has a simulator and cheap sensors. So, until Suzuki gets back in the USA with newer models (and TPMS) this case is closed AFAIC.

Thanks & regards,
Catalin
 #48297  by SamirD
 Mon Nov 26, 2018 1:50 am
kellogs wrote:Looks like there is not much demand for it and the market already has a simulator and cheap sensors. So, until Suzuki gets back in the USA with newer models (and TPMS) this case is closed AFAIC.

Thanks & regards,
Catalin
Thank you for posting Catalin. My name is Samir and I was the first to delve into the TPMS system on the Kizashi.

I actually have never heard of the simulator that you posted a link to. I have reached out to them about their product. And if it works--you're right, there would be no demand for another simulator product. However, if it does not work then there still would be demand for a simulator that does work.

While the sensors have gotten cheaper over time, cheaper aftermarket sensors like those you posted to are not what the Kizashi owner should be using. There are all sorts of issues that people have experienced from non-genuine sensors. And while sensors are inexpensive, the detailed labor required to properly torque sensors is not. In other words (as Ronzuki so well put it), the TPMS system is a bother and a pain instead of a help, and finding a way to permanently bypass it would be a great help to all Kizashi owners who deal with this problem.

Even though I know everything about the TPMS system, including how to relearn my own sensors, I'd rather not have to deal with it. And I'm sure many other Kizashi owners feel the same way.

I will post my findings on the other company's product. If theirs does not work, we would be highly interested in you developing a TPMS simulator product for the Kizashi.
 #48315  by kellogs
 Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:23 pm
Hi,

OK, no cheap sensors. But judging after their reviews on facebook I would be surprised if that simulator did not work.
Anyway, although it is called a bypass simulator it is still a simulator. I.e. it will not bypass anything but rather recreate the radio signals of the original sensors. And because of that you will still have to relearn the new (simulated) IDs. Two ways I can think of to avoid this - either visit the dealership and ask them to read the already paired 4 IDs with the OBD tester or perhaps if you still have the original (or non-original but already paired, does not matter if exhausted batteries) sensors at hand then you could read the ID of each one - they are printed on them. The simulator manufacturer can then take those IDs and program them into the simulator, thus making a relearn procedure unnecessary.

Regards
 #48322  by SamirD
 Tue Nov 27, 2018 6:02 am
I tried to find some review on fb, but didn't seem to see any. But I did notice that the product seems to have been developed first on Ford's platform, which I'm sure is pretty different than the Kizashi. I haven't gotten a reply yet, so I'm still waiting to see.

The interesting part of the process is learning the existing sensors. I read the instructions on your product and it makes perfect sense knowing what I know about how the sensors actuate. Once you have that data captured, in the Kizashi it would be super-easy as our car would not require any relearning since the existing sensor IDs in the ecu would match the IDs being transmitted by the simulator.

Unless I'm not understanding how your product works and that it has its own IDs, in which case, yes, we would have to relearn the IDs. And I just realized this would present a problem as there would need to be a way to trigger each sensor individually in order for the ECU to learn them as it does. :?
 #48325  by SamirD
 Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:59 am
Ah, that makes more sense.

I checked about the first 6 pages of their feedback and it looks like those are all BMW or Ford applications. I couldn't find a single Suzuki, and I guess I could search further than 6 pages, but that's a lot of work. :o