My Dealer-less TPMS Tire Change Story

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After reading a few posts here I think I know what I did wrong. I had placed two new tire/rims on the front of the car and started to back up . I only backed up about 5 feet when I realized that I didn't match sensor with sensor. I could have one or two of the same sensors on the car. Since I only backed up a few feet I hoped that the sensors did not trigger yet. I drove forward another 5 feet back to where I started. I then replaced the other two tire/rims on the rear of the car with the new cloned tire/rim's. So now all four tire/rim's were the new cloned sensors and I had the correct combination of sensors on the car. I then backed up again and took my test drive. Another mistake was that I had the old tire/rims laying within a foot or two of each wheel as I restarted and backed up. I could have potentially exposed the car to a few seconds of the wrong combination of sensors. And/Or exposed the car to all eight sensors as I restarted and backed up. I read that someone else had cloned their sensors for winter tires/rims and drove home with the old tire/rims in the car exposing the car to all eight sensors, causing the TPMS system to go into some type of reset mode. This may be what my car is experiencing. Although I don't think the sensors transmit unless they are spinning or experience a pressure change. Unless a signal from the TPMS system triggers the sensors to come alive and transmit.
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I'm going to drive around for a few days starting & restarting and hope the TPMS system clears the sensor error. If not I'll go through the convoluted TPMS reset procedure again.
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Years ago I read SamirD's idea of letting air out to trigger the sensor so I ran the TPMS reset procedure and let air out of the tires and in two minutes I had reset the TPMS. Easy Peasy. Over the years I read of others having trouble getting their Kiz into reset mode and thought it's a little convoluted but over all pretty simple. Just press a button a few times. What can be simpler? Well this morning I spent maybe two plus hours "Pressing a button a few times" over and over an over again. I gave up after my fingers where too sore to continue. This afternoon I thought I would try it again and a few button presses later the Kiz was in reset mode. I don't know what I did that was different. All I can say is the Kizashi TPMS system is a fickle system and I apologize to everyone who has had problems resetting their TPMS system.
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haha, the system even dumbfounded me a few times over the years. Once you've done it you think it couldn't be simpler--until you have to do it again. :lol:

I don't even know how many years this year's winter tire swap will make it for me relearning the car without a tool, and I'm sure I'll have issues getting the car into relearn mode now that I read your post. :lol:

Cheers to all the fellow Kizashi owners this thread has helped over the years. 8-) May your winter tire season swap go smooth and without incident and the same for your winter driving season. 8-)
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I now have a new problem. How do I transport the extra set of tires to a shop to be balanced? My first thought was put them in my Toyota Sienna, but the Sienna has TPMS that uses 315mhz too. I don't want to deal with TPMS problems in two vehicles. I probably will put the tires in a trailer and tow it with the Kizashi. I'll put the tires as far in the rear of the trailer as possible to keep them from messing up the Kizashi TPMS system again. If those tires trip up the Kizashi TPMS system again at least I know how to reset the Kizashi system. I can play press the button again.

I should ask my congressmen to help me get the tires balanced without messing up my TPMS system again.
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If you fold the rear seats down, you can fit all 4 tires in the trunk and back seat. I've never had issues with mine messing with the car while transporting them.
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I second BLyons as I always transport my second set of tires in the Kizashi before and after swapping them. 8-)

The car will only try to read sensors that have IDs programmed in, so you should be okay, even if the sensors are cloned since once you remove the second set, the system will only see one set of IDs and go back to normal automatically.
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Ok you guys I put the tires in my Sienna. Tomorrow I'll take them to get balanced. I just hope they don't mess up the TPMS system on the Sienna like they did to my Kiz. The sensors are clones of the Kiz so they should not effect the Sienna. I was thinking about it and these vehicles are driving and stopping at stoplights within feet of other vehicles and their active TPMS sensors all the time. If it does mess up the TPMS system of the Sienna I'll have to figure out the Toyota Techstream system. I've been putting that off cause I may trade in the Sienna for the 2019 RAV4 when it comes out next month.
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I'm not familiar with the Toyota system (wish I was), but worse case scenario would be similar to the Kizashi with Kizashi clone sensors in it, although this technically shouldn't even be possible since the Toyota doesn't have the same sensor IDs. I think you'll be fine. 8-)

A part of me is very curious though as to the the error message would be on the Kizashi when it sees 2 sensors with the same ID--it's probably not a scenario the original programmers anticipated so the I'm guessing it would be a general error (system trouble) vs a specific one (low pressure).
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When I installed the cloned wheels the original wheels where laying a few feet from each mounted cloned tire when I started the car. This caused the TPMS symbol next to the speedometer to flash intermittently. If I remember correctly it flashed twice with a pause. I vividly remember the pause cause as I drove around hoping it would clear I would repeatedly would look and see the light out and had hope only to see the two flashes again. The center screen acted normally and the ! symbol above the center screen was off. I tried to reset the TPMS system over and over with no luck. I took the wife for a color tour the TPMS symbol next to the speedometer continued to flash intermittently. Drove about 120 miles and stopped and restarted the car multiple times hoping the error would clear, but it did not. I also discovered the cloned wheels where not as balanced as I thought, when I got above 80 on a smooth road I noticed a vibration. After returning home I then took off the cloned wheels and reinstalled the original wheels. I drove around again with the original wheels and the TPMS symbol next to the speedometer continued to flash intermittently. I then tried to reset the TPMS system again and was successful the first try. Did it reset because I had the original wheels back on or because of the driving around?? I'm curious what will happen when I reinstall the cloned wheels again after I get them balanced. This time I will make sure the original wheels are far away from the car before I start it. If I get the flashing again. it's probably because the clone was not good enough to fool the TPMS system. If the flashing is the same I'll just put a piece of black tape above the flashing light and pretend it's not happening.

Also when putting the ignition on without starting the car, while trying to do the reset, the TPMS symbol would flash in groups of three. When reset button sequence was accepted the TPMS symbol started to rapidly flash.
64 Galaxie 68 Olds 442 65 Impala 70 VW Bug
74 Nissan B210 66 Chevelle 73 Olds 98 71 C20
75 Monza 82 Escort 75 E150 75 Civic 76 Accord
86 Escort 87 Taurus 83 Chevy G20 85 Ranger 4x4
93 F250 4x4 95 Silhouette 95 LHS 03 Corolla 10 Kizashi S MT
17 Sienna
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