My Dealer-less TPMS Tire Change Story

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KuroNekko wrote: How will I avoid batteries from eventually dying out? I can't hence the sensors will need to get replaced with time..
I believe redmed trying to say that when your time is up, you may get lucky and have a better experience when you give it a whirl because of all the info posted here by everyone who've been annoyed by the process. I may be wrong...
KuroNekko wrote: ... just like brake pads, a clutch, spark plugs, tires, etc. I see it as part of vehicle ownership.
Yeah, there's the flawed thinking regarding Nannyism...

Brake Pads: Required component to control and stop any moving vehicle rolling down the road (performing its primary function). Pretty important.
Clutch: Required component to couple engine power to manual transmission (the horror) propelling said vehicle down the road. It's primary function.
Spark Plugs: Required component to make the boom propelling said vehicle down the road. It's primary function.
Tires: While not necessarily required, certainly a preferred component over Amish preferred steel or solid rubber round things on buggies and tractors allowing vehicle to roll down the road. Again, a primary vehicle function thing.
TPMS Sensors: an expensive pain in the azz component that offers nothing to primary function. Required by the government.

Which one of these things doesn't belong here?...which one of these things isn't the same?....(ala Seasame Street jingle).
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Ronzuki wrote: Yeah, there's the flawed thinking regarding Nannyism...

Brake Pads: Required component to control and stop any moving vehicle rolling down the road (performing its primary function). Pretty important.
Clutch: Required component to couple engine power to manual transmission (the horror) propelling said vehicle down the road. It's primary function.
Spark Plugs: Required component to make the boom propelling said vehicle down the road. It's primary function.
Tires: While not necessarily required, certainly a preferred component over Amish preferred steel or solid rubber round things on buggies and tractors allowing vehicle to roll down the road. Again, a primary vehicle function thing.
TPMS Sensors: an expensive pain in the azz component that offers nothing to primary function. Required by the government.

Which one of these things doesn't belong here?...which one of these things isn't the same?....(ala Seasame Street jingle).
Yes, TPMS sensors aren't necessary in the primary function of a vehicle... but neither are airbags, seat belts, baby seats, or heck even turn signals, headlights, or mirrors for that matter to fundamentally operate and travel in a vehicle. See the problem here in this line of logic?

While I know you have a very strong lean towards Libertarian views, it's just common sense that the government has authority and jurisdiction over public roads. They are paid for and maintained by the government via taxes. People also share them publicly therefore they aren't a private resource which the government should not have a hand in regulating. In fact, things like building and regulating public roads is among the most fundamental roles of a government. While we can dream that we would all act like the most responsible, respectful, and skillful drivers on a shared road to diminish government involvement, that's as realistic as cupcakes shat out of a talking unicorn. Some people can't even be bothered to put their phone away despite operating something that kills more people than guns. Negligence is rampant in everyday driving. Hence, it makes way more sense for vehicle technology and legislation to compensate where people would predictably fail in personal responsibility. TPMS is a result of this.

It's simply an incontrovertible fact that driving is dangerous and the government is responsible for public roads. It should follow logic then that the government would implement laws that are aimed at making them safer. While some believe that TPMS (or even the Ford Explorer) originated out of environmental concerns, that's just factually incorrect. TPMS requirements were actually born out of safety concerns following a number of accidents linked to under-inflated tires. They were mandated after the TREAD Act (they sure try with acronyms, eh?) was passed by Congress following the Firestone/Explorer fiasco. Given people couldn't be relied on to properly inflate and check their tires (or companies to make safe products?), TPMS was made into law. It's hard enough convincing people to buckle-up for their own safety thus laws and enforcement had to take effect to literally save people from themselves and unnecessarily drain public resources in emergency response and care. However, tire pressure affects more than just a single vehicle as it can cause accidents with others.

It's also like headlights; while many think it's for their own sake in seeing the road, in many instances, it's for others to see you. This is particularly the case when driving in the rain, fog, or even nighttime in a city with abundant street lighting. This makes everyone safer from each other. I don't see TPMS too differently; it's going to warn you of low pressure in your tires which isn't only a threat to your own safety but others on the road too.

So yes, it's annoying that we car enthusiasts have to deal with it when it goes off for the dumbest of reasons given the engineering didn't account for enough exception handling. I understand that frustration. However, it's literally telling people who are otherwise completely ignorant that their tires are low in pressure and to fill them up between picking their nose and posting on social media apps while driving. This mundane process prevents accidents that saves lives on the road which is a responsibility of the government. Thus it makes sense to me they were made into law.

I also want to use this discussion opportunity to state something I've noticed in the differences of our views on related topics; where we live and drive may have a big factor in our differing views. Ronzuki, you live in rural Pennsylvania and apparently so rural, the Amish are present. They are famous for their disdain of technology and modern urban life. They are known to live in rural parts so they can adhere to a traditional farming lifestyle that their religious views dictate. I know you aren't Amish but given you're close by, you must live far away from a big city with tons of people.
I, on the contrary, have pretty much always lived/worked in an urban setting with considerable people and traffic. I lived in major cities in Japan (a very crowded nation) for 1/3 of my life and then largely lived/worked in or around major US cities, including our nation's capital. I have dealt with a lot of traffic just from regional population density.
I now live in Orange County, CA and often drive through nearly the entirety of Los Angeles County. As a comparison, just these two Southern California counties together rival the population of the entire state of Pennsylvania. Hence, you can imagine the traffic density I deal with on a regular basis. I imagine that where you drive, you encounter maybe a hundred to a few hundred cars per hour, if that. For me, that figure is likely in the tens of thousands. I'm simply subject to more traffic, more cars, and vulnerable to more things going wrong in the hands of others for an equal amount of driving time. With that consideration, you can imagine why I'm more keen on technology and regulation to keep me and my loved ones safe than relying on the unknown individual's responsibility and goodwill. Some don't trust the government and that's good, but when it comes to driving, I don't trust the other driver.

For the others just here for TPMS programming issues, I apologize for the discussion tangent from the original thread topic, but it's in response to comments on my posts on TPMS.
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What I forgot to add to my email interaction with Autel was a important bit of information.
Autel said: "The vehicle doesn't support OBD functions, that why you can not read IDs from ECU"
Apparently our Kizashi ECU/TPMS/OBD is not as sophisticated as other vehicles. That probably explains why we and professionals that work with TPMS stuff every day have trouble reprogramming our Kizashi's. As many of the early TPMS sensors batteries die and tire/TPMS professionals get more experience reprogramming them, maybe programming less sophisticated TPMS systems like ours will less of a problem.
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KuroNekko & Ronzuki I have no problem discussing government's involvement in our lives. In fact it's one of my pet peeves (especially every time I have to unclog my 1.3 liter toilet) I just think we should take the discussion somewhere else. This thread is about TPMS. Others trying to fix a annoying TPMS problem don't need the added annoyance of us solving the worlds problems in this thread. Although I think Ronzuki and I pretty much agree.
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redmed wrote:KuroNekko & Ronzuki I have no problem discussing government's involvement in our lives. In fact it's one of my pet peeves (especially every time I have to unclog my 1.3 liter toilet) I just think we should take the discussion somewhere else. This thread is about TPMS. Others trying to fix a annoying TPMS problem don't need the added annoyance of us solving the worlds problems in this thread. Although I think Ronzuki and I pretty much agree.
Okay and I also see that you created a new thread on discussing TPMS in general in the Random section so the discussion can continue there.
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Go ahead and delete, and/or move, my so-called Libby (ouch) opinions from this thread, clutters it up...(cue Sesame Street Jingle). :)
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So I recently discovered there is a TPMS Bypass product available for the Kizashi (check it out Ronzuki! :D). Even though I know everything about reprogramming the sensors myself, I've reached out to the company to see about getting one of their products and being done with TPMS once and for all: https://www.tpmsbypass.com/

I hate to hear about your experience with Autel redmed. :( And they're wrong when they say the Kizashi doesn't support TPMS via the OBD as the factory service tool the ATEQ VT55 uses it to program the car. :roll:

Hopefully you can get a refund on their products, although I think their clone system should still work if the sensors can be read like the stock Suzuki ones can.
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redmed wrote:One of the reasons I bought the Autel TS508 was the ability to change the "Tire Type" & "Tire Pressure". I could change the trigger PSI down into the 20's. But so far I can not access the ECU. YET
Even if you would have gotten the TS508 to work with the Kizashi, I highly doubt you would have been able to change the trigger point as that seems to be hard-coded. And probably for a liability reason too as they would run into a bit of a 'Ford Explorer' issue if they would allow setting the trigger below the load rating pressure required for the tires--which is exactly what happened in the Explorer even without tpms.
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You are correct Samir. People not reading the tire manufacturer's ratings on the side of the tire is what happened to Firestone regarding Ford's Exploder. Ford's door jamb label's ridiculously low pressure settings is what happened to Firestone. Printed on a label or programmed in a gadget...wrong info is still wrong info. Just because we have gadgets now (TPMS) in no way guarantees anything.
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And this is important to remember even when just changing tires. When creating the winter set in this thread that I've used for several years now, I knew that I would have to inflate the tires to the max cold pressure in order to match the stock tires load. And even so, the car literally drops 2 inches because the tires are on their limit. Although all this pressure makes them cut through snow like a knife through butter. :)

On the next tires, I'm probably going to increase it a bit to get a little more sidewall--either by increasing the ratio or the tread width. But the tires are still going to be the same unless there's been any major changes that makes the perform less--they've been flawless in winter conditions--General Altimax Arctic.
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