KuroNekko wrote:The problem with your position is that it assumes perfected fully automated driving can be implemented from initial application on public roads. Unlike automation settings in most other industries where you can have a closed laboratory setting, you can't for cars traveling on public roads. Hence, this is why every single name in automotive automation has been testing their cars on public roads.
My position absolutely NEVER assumed any such thing. My position IS that exhaustive testing with real world scenarios must be performed, and passed repeatedly, prior to giving it the old college try on public roads. If the Arizona woman's death by autonomous Uber episode didn't wake everyone up to the dangers of public road testing of unproven 'stuff', then I don't know what will, other than a whole bunch more dead people. Something unexpected walked out in front of the car. Gee, ya think that would be pretty frigging high up on the list of "MUST NOT FAIL" criteria...during controlled testing for god's sake. That was autonomy 101 epic fail right there and people should be in jail because of it. Throw some money at her family, to shut them up, grease a few political skids and business as usual right? It's all good, continue 'tesing'...on public courses. I'll have to try that should I ever be the cause of someone's unfortunate demise. You know, "oops, my bad your honor" when I don't account for all blatantly obvious scenarios (an unexpected thing in the path of the unguided weapon) and some half-assed testing before commissioning and customer transfer. Money and political favor...that's the ticket.
Please re-read what you wrote here. You are implying, correctly, what my position actually is. And that is, there is no way in hell to automate a car to negotiate U.S. roads safely. There is literally not enough money in the world to put enough proven tech into a vehicle to account for all scenarios and on all road systems, under all weather conditions in this country. Period. Again, you've stated my point exactly...just because all of these arrogant fools are testing their cars (purchased by consumers or not) on public roads doesn't make it right or even remotely acceptable.Testing
ON PUBLIC ROADS...anyone have a problem with that? Pretty sure there's some dead people who, in retrospect, would.
Buying the Mazda 'with the braking system' comment is ridiculous. Damn near any NEW car worth a damn has it or will very soon. I don't buy used (other peoples headaches). And is clearly just more 'testing' that we consumers are providing, at our expense, for the advancement of all this non-sense. Don't worry, when I get it back to Mazda this month, or next, for annual state inspection, they're going to hear holy hell from me about them figuring out a way of disabling that damn system. Not likely going to make a damn bit of difference, but I will air my complaint. You can bet your ass I'm not in anyway counting on, nor relying on, that system to do anything other than get me rear-ended when so many are driving in my back seat for one reason or another. Especially after week two of ownership's near rear-ender by a JKU while attempting to negotiate a typical, everyday frigging buggy pass. Other than the braking, all the rest of the BS autonomy, primarily the steering assault, can be, and is, disabled....for now. That'll change in a couple years, I'm certain, when some yahoo decides these things don't need to be disabled. Meanwhile, here in the frigid wintry Northeast, where all this crap doesn't work in the winter (a real world scenario btw)...still scrapping ice off the outside rear view mirrors, when it can be . Another iced up morning today. Scraped the flimsy little bastards and thought they were going to crack. Think I'll stop doing that, they won't last. All about safety right?
The thought of WESHOOT trying to drive one of these techno wonders, his way, just popped in to my head
Boy, I can't wait to read his dialogue on how that goes
Something else I just realized...been almost a year now and I'veI never received a questionnaire from Mazda about what I think of their car. Hmmm, guess the bean counters don't want to know, apparently.
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