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 #39845  by G13b
 Fri Jan 22, 2016 10:28 pm
It's been a year and I miss the little guy horribly. GTI is a pretty quick car for a 1300cc nothing like the Kizashi, once you test drive a Gti it will change your mind on how really quick this little pony. Probably many members here havent even seen one, let alone been in one. Just take a ride in one and you will see that they can easily eat the Kizashi.
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 #39847  by Woodie
 Sat Jan 23, 2016 10:25 am
Very sweet.

The ground effects kit is nice. The only one we ever see is the Veilside kit, which is way over the top, too much, boy racer, childish.
 #39850  by Ronzuki
 Sat Jan 23, 2016 11:50 pm
Test drove one back in the 80s while my 86 Samurai was being serviced at the dealer. One lightening fast little pocket rocket, and yeah, it would utterly destroy a Kizashi in a 1/4 mile joust. Anything over that and the Kiz takes the prize. Two different animals, both are stellar in their classes.
 #39852  by KansasKid
 Sun Jan 24, 2016 2:28 am
Yeah, until people in the US stop buying CUV's, that's what manufacturers are going to focus on producing for the US market. :cry:

Now that I think about it, the only players to mostly stay away from the CUV trend are the Germans. Most of them are too focused on their luxury sedans.
 #39866  by KuroNekko
 Mon Jan 25, 2016 6:09 pm
KansasKid wrote:Yeah, until people in the US stop buying CUV's, that's what manufacturers are going to focus on producing for the US market. :cry:

Now that I think about it, the only players to mostly stay away from the CUV trend are the Germans. Most of them are too focused on their luxury sedans.


Nope, they got into it too.
VW Tiguan, Benz GLA, Benz GLC, Audi Q3, Audi Q5, BMW X3, BMW X1, and Porsche Macan to name some. The trend is so strong that even some exquisite brands that never made SUVs/CUVs are making them now. The new Bentley Bentayga is an example.
 #39876  by KansasKid
 Tue Jan 26, 2016 7:51 am
Yeah, I knew about the Porsche and the Tiguan. Most of the other ones I was kind of lumping into the SUV category, but I'm not the most well versed at judging when an SUV stops being an SUV and becomes a CUV.
 #39885  by KuroNekko
 Tue Jan 26, 2016 6:54 pm
KansasKid wrote:Yeah, I knew about the Porsche and the Tiguan. Most of the other ones I was kind of lumping into the SUV category, but I'm not the most well versed at judging when an SUV stops being an SUV and becomes a CUV.


The traditional definition is based on its chassis. Basically, SUVs are truck-based and have body-on-frame chassis. CUVs are traditionally car-based and have unibody chassis. Of course, times have changed so even reputable SUVs have a unibody chassis construction like the Jeep Grand Cherokee. However, hardcore SUVs tend to have body-on-frame construction and these include the most reputable offroaders like the Jeep Wrangler, Toyota Land Cruiser, Toyota 4Runner, Chevy Tahoe, etc. However, body-on-frame vehicles tend to be more expensive to build, are considerably heavier, and don't dissipate impact as well in crashes. The good thing is that they are much better offroad, more durable for heavy duty usage, and are better suited for towing.

CUVs were born out of passenger car chassis and basically automakers made little "SUVs" out of them by giving them ground clearance and AWD systems. Many CUVs were, or are still, based on their car counterparts. The Subaru Forester originally used to be based on the Impreza and the Honda CR-V on the Civic. The current Mazda CX-3 is based on the Mazda2 and the Honda HR-V on the Fit.
CUVs also don't tend to have real 4x4 systems. They tend to have AWD systems. While you'll likely find a traditional three-mode 4x4 system in SUVs (RWD, 4WD High, and 4WD Low), CUVs typically only have AWD and some feature a locking center differential for when the conditions get rough. However, that's like an imitation of 4WD High so it won't get you through the rough stuff like a real 4x4 system with 4WD Low gearing. It's why CUVs are also known as "softroaders".

Basically, if the vehicle doesn't have a truck counterpart and/or doesn't have either a body-on-frame construction or a full-range 4x4 system, it's really a CUV. If it has these features, despite being very small, it's still a SUV. The Suzuki Samurai, Suzuki Sidekick, 2 door Jeep Wranglers are SUVs for this reason despite being smaller than many CUVs like the Toyota Highlander, Honda CR-V, etc. It's why Suzuki SUVs are quite famous for being "mini-Jeeps" and are way more capable offroad than their rivals like the RAV4, CR-V, Forester, Escape, etc. Even today, a primitive SUV like the Suzuki Jimny will outperform a new CUV like the Jeep Renegade offroad. This is quite remarkable because the Jimny is ancient now and the Renegade is new and arguably the most offroad-capable small CUV. Here's a video from Australia comparing the two:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJMgie87afQ

Given that the Germans really don't make many traditional SUVs for the North American market, it's quite evident that the majority of their "SUVs" are CUVs. About the only hardcore SUV a German brand sells in America is the Mercedes-Benz G-Wagon. Not surprising given it's based on a military vehicle. You can even get some of these with portal axles for some insane ground clearance.

Benz G-wagon with portal axles
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 #39896  by KansasKid
 Wed Jan 27, 2016 8:41 am
Thanks Kuro. That little Jimny was pretty sweet. I kinda want one now.

I'd like to know what Suzuki was thinking depending solely on the Grand Vitara and the XL7 for all of their SUV needs. They probably could have sold a bunch of Jimny's in the US if they would have marketed in a way that emphasized that they don't roll-over easily. Of course, I suppose that's all speculation now.