Pull, Pull, pulling never stops.

[Dego]

Dslatch!

Finally someone who is have the same issue. I am not happy that you are having the issue but I am happy I am not alone.
Please stay in contact and let me know if you find out anything and what the results of your alignment is. Did it fix the problem or not?
My next step is a speed shop who is going to check every part of the suspension and power train. Then ill make the 200 mile commute to the dealer who services these nightmares.
If they can find anything its staying there and I am driving home a brand new car. I have tried, I really have but this has been the worst car I have ever owned. This issue is not the only one I have had but its the only one that won't go away.

[Dego]

By the way, my steering wheel is also a bit askew.

[KuroNekko]

Dslatch!

Finally someone who is have the same issue. I am not happy that you are having the issue but I am happy I am not alone.
Please stay in contact and let me know if you find out anything and what the results of your alignment is. Did it fix the problem or not?
My next step is a speed shop who is going to check every part of the suspension and power train. Then ill make the 200 mile commute to the dealer who services these nightmares.
If they can find anything its staying there and I am driving home a brand new car. I have tried, I really have but this has been the worst car I have ever owned. This issue is not the only one I have had but its the only one that won't go away.

There is another member who has long complained of a steering issue that doesn't go away. He's in California and considering going to the biggest Suzuki service dealer there which is close to their American HQ. His thread is here:
http://www.kizashiclub.com/forum/viewto ... =12&t=3148

Given that you guys tried everything to correct the issue with wheel alignment, I think perhaps you guys have bad electric power steering racks. This would maybe explain why shop after shop, they can't fix it as they mess with the alignment and the wheels.
I feel sorry given you guys have had these issues for a long time so I understand your resentment for the Kizashi. However, the issue is quite rare and I'd say the vast majority of Kizashis are very reliable and rewarding to own. I know it's hard to believe for you, but the steering and handling is among the best attributes of this car compared to its class rivals. My Kizashi has been quite a good car in the 4 years/50,000 miles I've owned it. It's certainly the best car I've owned to date and I've only owned cars that treated me well.
Best of luck in finding a resolution.

[Ronzuki]

The more I think about this, the more it sounds like a 'homing' issue. The car thinks 'return to center' is somewhere to the real-world left...electrically, not mechanically. This may explain why the mechanical alignments aren't correcting anything. I am not familiar at all w/ the components and procedures involved w/ electric assist automobile steering, but, in the industrial world, I'd start by having a seriously close look at the feedback device/mechanism/system. Had an AGV (Automatic Guided Vehicle) go seriously astray due to inferior feedback resolvers. That was one of those cases where the powertrain software developer neglected to take in to consideration that something critical like that might actually fail which resulted in damage to storage racks, the blg. and onviously the AGV itself. In simple terms, It went out of control and crashed...epically. Ask any industrial automation & controls engineer how they feel about 'self-driving' cars.

If the method of detection is built in to the steering gear itself, then it looks as though a replacement is in order unless someone (Suzuki) with the correct Suzuki diag tools can twiddle with and change the params or offsets. If there is no detection method...well, I'm clueless then as to what is going on. When I get some time, I need to fire up the old XP machine and have a look at what the FSM has to say about it. I'm curious now.

[Moto]

Agree with both of you after thinking about it... ^

[dslatsh]

Interesting so it is electronic steering. I've heard people say on other cars theirs.do the same and have to drive wit both hands on the wheel. Seems electronic really likes to go with the road. So is this something they can look at during alignment?

Like I said my.steering wheel is a bit to the left which this car.doesn't take much of a turn to veer. So if I hold it more towards the center goes pretty straighot. My dad even mentioned my wheels looked weird/looked pretty toed out or in can't remember and was giving us issue when trying to get it on ramps lol.

Also I remmeber seeing someone mention suspension possibly....could it be his rear suspension leaking and needing that revised stopper?

[golftango]

More info:

http://www.suzuki-forums.com/suzuki-kiz ... ering.html

http://www.arfc.org/complaints/2012/suz ... oblem.aspx

[Ronzuki]

More info:

http://www.suzuki-forums.com/suzuki-kiz ... ering.html

http://www.arfc.org/complaints/2012/suz ... oblem.aspx

Oh yeah, Murcod's got the goods. Feedback is apparently built-in to the steering gear. Could be lots-o-other-gremlins causing this phenom as well based on the info he's posted. I'd forgotten, this sort of thing is also right up his alley. I'll bet the FSM has some pretty 'interesting' diagnosis information on the steering system. I'm thinking the KISS principle applies...stick w/ hydraulic steering in cars.

Again, there could be many opportunities for failure with a system such as this that would cause unpredictable/unexplainable behavior. Simply because a programmed warning light doesn't illuminate on the dash DOES NOT indicate that there isn't a problem. It simply means there isn't a problem with any of the things that the light was programmed to light up for. Any service tech that presents a customer with their standard, "can't duplicate customer complaint" or "there aren't any codes set" diagnosis requires a good flogging, plain and simple. My response to that is, as always, "ok, let's go for a ride and I'll show you what's wrong". And then after I'm done showing the tech, exactly, what is wrong I go and have a chat with the 'service advisor': "now, please,do your job and diagnose the problem as opposed to relaying to me what fault code your scanner did or did not tell you. My scanner told me the same thing. I'm here because you're the factory trained expert and the solution is not going to be a simple one."

[Woodie]

If you've had five alignments and the steering wheel is visibly crooked, then you're going to the wrong alignment shop. That's part of an alignment.

I mentioned the rear alignment. That's part of it just like centering the steering is. If the rears are toed out it is going to want to wander. If something's loose back there, it's going to want to step out in unpredictable ways. I don't think the rear shock problem would cause steering issues, it's more clunking noises and a bouncy ride.

[Dego]

Three different shops same result on the alignment.
I can't do it myself. I am just reporting the facts.