10' Kizashi CVT FWD transmission update???

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tarheelmt wrote:However he called Suzuki and they stated that the problem is it needs an update to the transmission which includes a deeper drain pan, longer dip stick, new gasket, and new fluid. They stated that the drain pan on it doesn't hold enough fluid and therefore on hot days or when the tranny is running hot on long trips, it is cavitating the fluid in the drain pan and sucking air up into the pump. This is where the whine is coming from. So therefore they say it needs this "update so it will have enough fluid to run correctly.
With all the CVT drama on here that is the first time I've seen anything like that posted. Everyone else just seems to get no answer as to why their CVT failed or why it's misbehaving.

I'd be thinking a longer oil pickup would also be part of the mod process- to prevent air being sucked in?
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I'm just hoping that this update comes with my new tranny or else it's pointless unless this issue wasn't the cause of the problem.
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Assuming that the information that you have been given is accurate, could you have the service center give you a list of the "update" parts with part numbers? I would be interested in having that info on hand, in case I have any issues.

This sounds a lot like like the classic over temperature "safe mode" that Nissan has had ongoing issues with, most notably with the JF011E in the Rogue. (increasing CVT whine, power loss, etc. OK after the car has cooled down.)
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toebridge wrote:Apparently, the 2010 SE I had had 2 recalls - one for a glove box issue and the other was for a serpentine belt tension adjuster. I never received anything from Suzuki about the recalls in the mail.
NOT recalls, service bulletins. Recall is when a safety issue leads the government to step in and force them to issue a recall and contact all owners for a free fix. Reliability issues are handled by service bulletins, if you bring it in for a problem, they then do this update. That's the way all manufacturers do it.

Any automatic transmission is a shaky proposition, CVTs more so. Meanwhile, RRM has a transmission cooler: http://roadracemotorsports.com/store/in ... cts_id=697
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Woodie wrote: Any automatic transmission is a shaky proposition, CVTs more so. Meanwhile, RRM has a transmission cooler: http://roadracemotorsports.com/store/in ... cts_id=697
From memory the Kizashi CVT already has two coolers from the factory - the "in radiator" type and a separate air trans oil cooler - just like the RRM product.
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Woodie wrote:
toebridge wrote:Apparently, the 2010 SE I had had 2 recalls - one for a glove box issue and the other was for a serpentine belt tension adjuster. I never received anything from Suzuki about the recalls in the mail.
NOT recalls, service bulletins. Recall is when a safety issue leads the government to step in and force them to issue a recall and contact all owners for a free fix. Reliability issues are handled by service bulletins, if you bring it in for a problem, they then do this update. That's the way all manufacturers do it.

Any automatic transmission is a shaky proposition, CVTs more so. Meanwhile, RRM has a transmission cooler: http://roadracemotorsports.com/store/in ... cts_id=697
My understanding is that the console box was actually a recall. It's because the center console box (not the glove box from what I've read) can open in a crash and possibly injure occupants with its contents. Therefore, it was a safety-related matter and recalled. Not bad considering the death-related recalls from Toyota, GM, etc.

The belt tensioner issue appeared to be a Technical Service Bulletin matter and not actually a recall. The fact that our cars have electronic power steering versus hydraulic power steering (which is powered by the serpentine belt) was probably the difference between a TSB and a recall in this matter. Regardless, you don't want a faulty belt tensioner while you are driving.

Coincidentally, I had a similar issue happen last night in my VW bus. I was joyriding it late last night on a rural road and when I got to a stop sign, the engine started to cut out and I could see smoke in the rear view mirror from the engine.
I turned off the engine and went to take a look back there. After some poking around and trying to start the car unsuccessfully, I noticed that the belt was slightly melted and the smoke appeared to come from the belt at the alternator pulley. The belt on a car this ancient only drives the alternator. That's it.

I then was able to determine that the belt was damaged and a deformed tooth of the belt was keeping it from rotating around the crank pulley and alternator. This was preventing the car from starting. I then got my knife and cut the belt off.
This meant that the alternator was no longer driven by the crank pulley, but as long as I drove it the short distance home, I could make it on just the battery power.

After I cut the belt off, I got in the car and it started right up. I then drove it straight home on just the battery.

I'll be putting on a spare belt that I have soon. The damaged one was old anyway. The belt tension on this car is set by rocking the alternator to adjust the tension and then tightening the alternator in place.

Note to self: Never drive an air-cooled VW late at night alone in a rural area with a dying phone battery and without a jump-starter.

Still, I think I'd rather have the unreliability of an old VW over a faulty CVT.
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That belt turns the cooling fan too, don't drive it far.
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Woodie wrote:That belt turns the cooling fan too, don't drive it far.
For my engine, the fan is a cylindrical type and is directly connected to the crank pulley. Therefore, it runs independently of a belt.
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Wow crazy! I hear the same annoying whine sound to. Looks like I have to get this update! Also when i step on the throttle and release after like 2 seconds I hear a spinning noise like a turbo spooling. Anyone ever hear that?? I'm like what the hell is this
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tarheelmt wrote:the labor I think they quoted was 2 hours of labor, the parts themselves including fluid is around 400 total...but yeah, it seems like it would be an easy thing to replace, just don't understand why they didn't put out any info on this update to begin with...it's been 4 years lol.
Exactly what parts were installed on the transmission? Was a deeper pan included?Part numbers from your repair order would be helpful.

Thanks.
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