service engine light and sputtering. what is wrong with her!

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aminatam wrote:I am and I am originally from the Caribbean with 90 degree weather so what's your point. I feel offended by that comment. My car was sitting for a while...The temperature dropped in the teens or lower at night...I was not going to just jump in my car with snow and ice stuck to it and drive off. I let it warm up. What is so bad about letting your car warm up in such weather before you go anywhere? I came to this site asking for advise...not to be made fun of!
I take it you don't go on car forums very much. This one is really really nice compared to most. Many others will belittle you for all kinds of things in other automotive forums. Members here tend to be older and nicer, but will point out things you are doing wrong.

As many have stated, there is no need to warm up your car in modern cars. Warming up a car for an hour at 22F is ridiculous. You are merely wasting fuel. 22F is really not that cold. Most lubricants are multi-grade so they can flow sufficiently at both cold temperatures and hot temperatures. There are members here who live in Canada and the Upper Mid West who see -30F. In comparison, 22F is Corona-sipping summer weather.

The good thing is that your car is throwing a code with the Check Engine Light so you just need to go to a shop and get that read. As already stated, most auto parts stores like Autozone, Pep Boys, etc. do that for free. Mechanics also will check it but they usually charge a fee. However, these mechanics are far more likely to resolve the issue as well.

Most importantly, your car is probably still under warranty. In fact, I'd just take it to a Suzuki dealer and they should resolve it at no cost. This is a powertrain issue so the 10 year, 100,000 mile warranty should apply.
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aminatam wrote:just in case some of the fluids got a little frozen.
At 22F? BAHAHAHAHAHA that's funny. You must be from the southern US like Houston or something.
Says the guy from Houston... :lol: C'mon man, no need to belittle someone based on their location or unfamiliarity with certain aspects of cars.
To be clear, I'm not belittling him based on unfamiliarity with certain aspects of cars, but general geographic and weather knowledge.

Only someone in the southern US would think 22F was some calamity that required special precautions to run your car. People in Canada and much of Japan where the car is made are wearing shorts in that weather!




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~tc~ wrote: To be clear, I'm not belittling him based on unfamiliarity with certain aspects of cars, but general geographic and weather knowledge.

Only someone in the southern US would think 22F was some calamity that required special precautions to run your car. People in Canada and much of Japan where the car is made are wearing shorts in that weather!




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Depends where you are from in Japan. I'm from West Japan so it's not that cold in the winter. In fact, Maryland now is colder than the Kansai region of Japan.
However, the northern parts of Japan are in line with Russia and get a lot of snow. There are some towns that see -35C in the winter and need double doors and heaters in their toilet reservoirs so the water does not freeze. Japanese houses are notoriously cold because they are traditionally built with little insulation. Houses there also don't have central heating. It's miserable to be in a Japanese house in the winter.

I also did not know this until recently, but Japan is actually the country with the most yearly snow fall in the entire world. I thought it was odd, but then again, I've seen the pictures of roads carved in canyons of snow growing up in Japan. It's because of the Siberian winds that blow from Russia and over the sea onto Japan.

Here's a video of the snowiest places in the world and the US:
http://news.yahoo.com/video/whoknew-sno ... 08791.html

Here's a picture of the Japanese snow canyon roads I was referring to:
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[quote="KuroNekko] I take it you don't go on car forums very much. This one is really really nice compared to most. Many others will belittle you for all kinds of things in other automotive forums. [/quote]

Seriously...he shouldn't ever visit most 4WD forums then. If they're not busting your balls about something when you post, they simply don't like you.

5 minutes or less warm up below freezing and you're good to go. Take it easy driving until everything in the drivetrain has had a chance to warm a bit, then feel free to let-'er rip!
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There have been a lot of "uncalled for" comments posted on this forum recently. They don't add any value to the threads and simply put new people off contributing to the forum. Using the excuse that every forum is like that doesn't cut it.

A substantial number of threads are also being filled with off topic "dribble". IMHO there's nothing worse (when you're trying to find technical info on a forum) than having to wade through pages of off topic "chat" - keep it to one of the non tech sub forums!!!

Back to the topic- Aminatam , hopefully you've got the problem fixed by now?
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murcod wrote:There have been a lot of "uncalled for" comments posted on this forum recently. They don't add any value to the threads and simply put new people off contributing to the forum. Using the excuse that every forum is like that doesn't cut it.

A substantial number of threads are also being filled with off topic "dribble". IMHO there's nothing worse (when you're trying to find technical info on a forum) than having to wade through pages of off topic "chat" - keep it to one of the non tech sub forums!!!

Back to the topic- Aminatam , hopefully you've got the problem fixed by now?
While I agree with some points, I respectfully disagree about others. Here's why:
First, a lot of the original topics are really transitory much like in this very thread. It was about a CEL that came on suddenly. Quite frankly, the solution was offered within the first few responses: get the CEL read. It's not quite a mystery worth discussing at length about because the CEL came on and it would tell exactly what's going on once it got read by the OP. The thread then turned into what you call "dribble" (it's actually 'drivel') but I call it conversation. This is a very small forum with very few members compared to most auto forums. We only have ~1500 members. I've been to forums like thesamba.com (for aircooled VWs) and there are individual members there with as many posts alone as there are of all posts ever posted in this entire forum! That's just to show you scale; we are very very small. In that regard, creating rapport and conversation is quite a neat thing among members here even if it goes off topic. I mean, how much is there to talk about a CEL that has yet to be read?

Also, I would not say that comparing the harshness of outside forums justifies anything here, however it's good to point out things that are bad practice or unwise. While Woodie may be more edgy with his comments, his opinions are sound: It's ridiculous to idle the car for an hour to drive 1 mile total in 22 F (-5 C) weather. Trust me, I know that temperature. It's 18 F (-7 C) outside my house as I type this very moment. Woodie lives a few blocks away from me so he knows it too. Yet, I would not idle my car for more than 20 seconds as I sat in it. I'm also a skinny guy and don't like the cold, but what the OP did was something worth criticizing given it's unnecessary, a total waste of fuel, and not even helping the car.

So, while I understand your position, I think there are good reasons why things have gone the way they have and I know I took part in it. (Come on, you gotta admit that snow canyon picture is awesome.)
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murcod wrote:A substantial number of threads are also being filled with off topic "dribble". IMHO there's nothing worse (when you're trying to find technical info on a forum) than having to wade through pages of off topic "chat" - keep it to one of the non tech sub forums!!!
I'm with you on this. A lot of technical discussions go off on tangents. I think this is fine in the "general chat" subforums but it really messes up technical threads. There were numerous times where I had to sift through a ton of chatter to find information buried within a thread
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Judging how the check engine light occurred at the advent of the extended startup, it might be related to that.

Have you driven on the highway for at least 20 minutes yet? Has it gotten warmer? (50+) I'm thinking the light will go away on its own once the water that somehow found its way into somewhere it shouldn't burns off.
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~tc~ wrote:Only someone in the southern US would think 22F was some calamity that required special precautions to run your car.
I've lived in the south a good number of years, and to a certain extent, yes.

A lot of times, fluids aren't put in for anything below freezing since it gets so hot. Also, the car just isn't used to the cold and the change in temperature will shrink things quite a bit, so a good warm-up doesn't hurt.

But like others have said--warm up until it's off of C and then drive easy until it's up to normal operating temperature.
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