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Plus, an LPG tank taking up space in your boot. Potential issues with the LPG installer not getting the LPG system to interface correctly with the Suzuki engine ECU. Voiding of any factory warranty (may not apply?)
LPG used to be a popular option here in Australia, and then the government started to raise the taxes on it! They were even heavily subsidising conversions for a number of years. Now it's not economically viable and diesel vehicles have really taken off instead.
LPG used to be a popular option here in Australia, and then the government started to raise the taxes on it! They were even heavily subsidising conversions for a number of years. Now it's not economically viable and diesel vehicles have really taken off instead.
David
Wow, that is much cheaper. But does the mileage change?Tommybhoy25 wrote:Samir Im from Glasgow and the price are. £1.28 for petrol and £0.66 for gas. The conversion costs £1400 I think its a no brainer to be honest
I saw these type of conversions on some cars in India, and all the rickshaws in Gujarat are now lpg. They have filling stations too. I even went to one just to see how it was done.
I think running on lpg would be an automatic voiding of the warranty since that is not the recommended fuel.murcod wrote:Plus, an LPG tank taking up space in your boot. Potential issues with the LPG installer not getting the LPG system to interface correctly with the Suzuki engine ECU. Voiding of any factory warranty (may not apply?)
LPG used to be a popular option here in Australia, and then the government started to raise the taxes on it! They were even heavily subsidising conversions for a number of years. Now it's not economically viable and diesel vehicles have really taken off instead.
Interesting that it was subsidized and then taxed to death. How high are fuel taxes there? Here in the US, it is built-in and is 14% in the HSV area. (My parents own a Chevron branded station and I do the accounting, so I see the fuel invoices.
)Everywhere in India, but mostly CNG not LPG.SamirD wrote:Tommybhoy25 wrote:all the rickshaws in Gujarat are now lpg. They have filling stations too. I even went to one just to see how it was done.
It's had a HUGE impact on the pollution in Delhi and Mumbai.
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Going by some info I found if normal unleaded petrol was selling for $1.37 / litre (it's currently around $1.43/ litre, but that fluctuates wildly from week to week and goes up to around $1.60/ litre!) then we pay $0.38 fuel excise and $0.12 GST to the government....SamirD wrote:How high are fuel taxes there? Here in the US, it is built-in and is 14% in the HSV area. (My parents own a Chevron branded station and I do the accounting, so I see the fuel invoices.
LPG didn't have any excise until late 2011; it's due to increase to $0.10 / litre in July. There's a further increase to 12.5c / litre in 2015. I'd be thinking GST is also payable on top of that (another 10% of the pump sell price.)
There are a lot of horror stories with late model vehicles and the gas system interfaces not working properly. I've also heard of other issues (eg. injectors burning out from being pulsed with no fuel flow). The gas system needs to trick the engine ECU into still doing the ignition timing etc for the engine to run. You also need a different ignition advance curve for gas.
A lot of headaches and risks! If you've got a commonly converted vehicle then there will be off the shelf kits and plenty of experience on that vehicle, but for something like a Kizashi....
There's actually very little talk about gas conversions now, everyone is going for diesels!
Out of interest today's comparative prices are:
ULP (91 RON) 142.5c/ litre
ULP (98 RON) 158.5
LPG 84.9
diesel 159.9
There's a bit on LPG conversions here http://www.racq.com.au/motoring/cars/ca ... ets/lp_gas , but I don't know how current the info is. Years ago (pre EFI) the conversions were dead easy.
Here's a reasonably current story from the UK with real world facts and figures for over there: http://www.theguardian.com/money/2012/j ... st-savings
Before the car was converted, it was achieving around 38mpg depending on the journey type. Most converters say you will get 15%-20% fewer miles per gallon because gas has less energy than petrol.
Over the year we have got around 29mpg, a reduction of 23%. The biggest disparity is on fast motorway runs. On slower roads and around town, the fuel reduction is closer to 15%.
David
Ah yes, CNG! My bad, I always seem to mix those two up.~tc~ wrote:Everywhere in India, but mostly CNG not LPG.SamirD wrote:Tommybhoy25 wrote:all the rickshaws in Gujarat are now lpg. They have filling stations too. I even went to one just to see how it was done.
It's had a HUGE impact on the pollution in Delhi and Mumbai.
