What is the ONE thing that bugs you about your Kizashi?

[KuroNekko]

Hmm, my TPMS gives me no problems. When the tires are low on air, they come on. When I fill them to spec, they turn off. Not sure why people have all this drama with them.

The system is fine, and I think the concept is good except that it brings in meddling dealerships and careless tire techs into the pictures--and we pay for all that.

I don't want someone dealership tech jamming my cvt between d and r without stopping or some tire tech overtorqueing the sensor bolt and damaging the sensor--and pay for all of it. This stupid legislation just opens up the door to all that junk. I think the number of saved lives will be balanced by all the people killed by tire techs not seating the sensors right or damaging them. I mean, regular valve stems were still a challenge to some of them. Government 'solutions' at their best--poorly thought out and implemented.

Wanting to just buy a set of winter tires and slap them on the car has been a royal pita because of having to address tpms. The system should have been universal enough and smart enough that any tire with a sensor could just be slapped on and be done with it, or at least have a simplistic bluetooth like setup that an end user can do.

I don't want to buy another car with an active tpms system on it again. I'd rather buy one from Canada and bring it down.

While I understand the frustrations, keep in mind the laws came about to save careless consumers from themselves. Remember back in 2000 there was the Firestone vs. Ford fiasco with the Explorer roll-overs? Ford blamed Firestone tires. Firestone blamed Ford's Explorer. Regardless of the real issue, it brought to light the fact that many drivers neglected the condition and air pressure in their tires.

TPMS are saving owners from themselves. While car enthusiasts like us who bother to sign up and chat on car forums may pay attention to the air in our tires, the vast majority of drivers don't. For example, I was in California last week and visited my brother. When I borrowed his car, I noticed that ALL of his tires were at least 7 psi low, but he did not notice. He's not a car guy and he's a resident at a hospital so he's quite busy. Had his car had TPMS, he would have been alerted that his tire air pressure was low and prompted to fill them up.
This is what I am talking about. This is why TPMS exist. It's to alert people like him that his air pressure is low and his tires need to be filled. Heck, the car even handled differently once the PSI were up to spec in all tires.

Also, Canada is not quite a car legislation-free land. DRLs are required by law there and you can blame them for all the made in Canada cars having DRLs in the US. This is why even Asian imports like the Kizashi have DRLs too because Suzuki only made one model for all of North America. While some people hate the look of DRLs, again, they save lives and that's a statistical fact.

While it's understandable that we should not look to government to tell us what to do, keep in mind that most people out there are too dumb or careless and can pose a risk to themselves and more importantly, to others. When it's on public roads, it's the government's responsibility to intervene and save people from their own carelessness.

[SamirD]

While I understand the frustrations, keep in mind the laws came about to save careless consumers from themselves. Remember back in 2000 there was the Firestone vs. Ford fiasco with the Explorer roll-overs? Ford blamed Firestone tires. Firestone blamed Ford's Explorer. Regardless of the real issue, it brought to light the fact that many drivers neglected the condition and air pressure in their tires.

TPMS are saving owners from themselves. While car enthusiasts like us who bother to sign up and chat on car forums may pay attention to the air in our tires, the vast majority of drivers don't. For example, I was in California last week and visited my brother. When I borrowed his car, I noticed that ALL of his tires were at least 7 psi low, but he did not notice. He's not a car guy and he's a resident at a hospital so he's quite busy. Had his car had TPMS, he would have been alerted that his tire air pressure was low and prompted to fill them up.
This is what I am talking about. This is why TPMS exist. It's to alert people like him that his air pressure is low and his tires need to be filled. Heck, the car even handled differently once the PSI were up to spec in all tires.

Also, Canada is not quite a car legislation-free land. DRLs are required by law there and you can blame them for all the made in Canada cars having DRLs in the US. This is why even Asian imports like the Kizashi have DRLs too because Suzuki only made one model for all of North America. While some people hate the look of DRLs, again, they save lives and that's a statistical fact.

While it's understandable that we should not look to government to tell us what to do, keep in mind that most people out there are too dumb or careless and can pose a risk to themselves and more importantly, to others. When it's on public roads, it's the government's responsibility to intervene and save people from their own carelessness.

This type of post is exactly why I like reading your posts KuroNekko.

It just becomes frustrating when those of us that were always doing the right thing like checking our tire pressures and turning on our headlights (which I still manually do each time I drive), we get punished so the major majority can continue to live without concern. And then the maintenance 'infrastructure' gets involved with their mistakes and incompetence to make even more problems for those of us that can do it better ourselves.

But I definitely get you on the flat tires. I pointed out that one of my wife's coworkers had two dangerously low tires yesterday night at work, saw someone driving with a flat on the way back home, and then saw a Saab with a dangerously low rear tire this morning.

They should have just required all the people who didn't monitor their tires to drive on tweels:

[Woodie]

While it's understandable that we should not look to government to tell us what to do, keep in mind that most people out there are too dumb or careless and can pose a risk to themselves and more importantly, to others. When it's on public roads, it's the government's responsibility to intervene and save people from their own carelessness.

You probably saw this coming a mile away, but I could not disagree any more on this. This is exactly the kind of thinking which has grown our government completely out of control, and out of budget. The Federal government now ells us what kind of light bulbs we must buy, how much water our toilets may use, even what products and services we MUST buy in the case of Obamacare.

I don't people protected from themselves, I want to see the feeble mined die before they get a chance to breed. The monkeys didn't come down out of the trees and turn into humans because they protected the idiots from themselves and coddled them along.

[murcod]

I don't people protected from themselves, I want to see the feeble mined die before they get a chance to breed. The monkeys didn't come down out of the trees and turn into humans because they protected the idiots from themselves and coddled them along.

Sadly that's the way things are heading!

But, TPMS are still a good idea when implemented in a user friendly manner. You don't necessarily have to be lax in the tyre checking area to suffer a sudden deflation. Reading stuff like the ESP cuts out when the TPMS isn't functioning is crazy. Sensors should also be universal and easy for the owner to program. It should be like the OBDII ECU fault protocol where everyone was forced to stick to certain guidelines.

PS: You could say ABS and ESP protect idiots from themselves, but they could also help you avoid one of those idiots who cuts you off.

[WESHOOT2]

All I can say is, break a valve stem........

[KuroNekko]

While it's understandable that we should not look to government to tell us what to do, keep in mind that most people out there are too dumb or careless and can pose a risk to themselves and more importantly, to others. When it's on public roads, it's the government's responsibility to intervene and save people from their own carelessness.

You probably saw this coming a mile away, but I could not disagree any more on this. This is exactly the kind of thinking which has grown our government completely out of control, and out of budget. The Federal government now ells us what kind of light bulbs we must buy, how much water our toilets may use, even what products and services we MUST buy in the case of Obamacare.

I don't people protected from themselves, I want to see the feeble mined die before they get a chance to breed. The monkeys didn't come down out of the trees and turn into humans because they protected the idiots from themselves and coddled them along.

Woodie,
I understand your opinions and quite frankly, many Libertarian views are very appealing. However, keep in mind that roads are public and are shared by everyone. In this regard, there must be regulation and standards to meet. Also, not everyone is responsible, attentive, or even sane. Many people pose a risk to themselves and more importantly, to others from their carelessness. While I agree that some of these people are dumb enough that natural selection should take them out, the chance of them affecting others must be diminished.
For example, if some driver is ignorantly driving around with very low pressure in his tires and then has a blow-out, it may cause him to swerve onto on-coming traffic and have a head-on collision with someone. Imagine that he kills a man in opposing traffic and that man leaves behind a wife and two kids. The life of the wife and two kids are now in jeopardy. Without a good life insurance plan, those left behind face a grim future and may be forced into poverty and hardship.
If safety standards will decrease the risk of things like this happening, they are a good implementation.
While government isn't the answer to everything, they need to get some stuff done especially when it comes to publicly shared space.

Also, the bulk of our insane government spending is from our bloated, ridiculous military budget as we play world policeman aka American Imperialism.
The US spends more on the military than the rest of the world's combined.

[SamirD]

You probably saw this coming a mile away, but I could not disagree any more on this. This is exactly the kind of thinking which has grown our government completely out of control, and out of budget. The Federal government now ells us what kind of light bulbs we must buy, how much water our toilets may use, even what products and services we MUST buy in the case of Obamacare.

I don't people protected from themselves, I want to see the feeble mined die before they get a chance to breed. The monkeys didn't come down out of the trees and turn into humans because they protected the idiots from themselves and coddled them along.

Wow, I never put all those daily regulations together in one place before. Now I can blame the government every time I clog the toilet (which happens waaaay too often).

That would be Darwinism at its best, eh? There's a reason some survive and some don't. Justice is a man-made idea. There's no justice in nature. And I say this even after being on the short end of the stick most of my life.

[SamirD]

But, TPMS are still a good idea when implemented in a user friendly manner. You don't necessarily have to be lax in the tyre checking area to suffer a sudden deflation. Reading stuff like the ESP cuts out when the TPMS isn't functioning is crazy. Sensors should also be universal and easy for the owner to program. It should be like the OBDII ECU fault protocol where everyone was forced to stick to certain guidelines.

Well said! That's exactly what I don't like about it. Forcing people to go to their dealership versus giving the user the ability to do what they want with their car is a big impedance to progress. It's like revising the toilet so that you have to ask permission to poop!


Yes...I did go there.

[WESHOOT2]

Oh crap



me too

[SamirD]

Oh crap



me too

LOL!