KBB depreciation value of the Kizashi...

[Speed_Racer]

I hate to say this, but had not Suzuki pulled out of the US, my 2011 SLS would never had been priced so that I could afford it. Less than $15k with bumper to bumper warranty still left on it not to mention a long time left on the power train warranty. Suzuki's demise has been my gain for sure. Otherwise I'd still be driving my SX4 or my Hyundai XG350.

I completely agree. I picked up my preowned '12 GTS with 11k miles in 2012 for about $7k under the new MSRP ($15.5k). It was a helluva deal. Crazy initial depreciation, though it seems to have leveled out.

For what I paid for my Kizashi, I could have bought an brand new Accent, Fiesta, or Rio. Those were on my radar and within my budget, but they are inferior vehicles as far as I'm concerned. I really lucked out, sorry to Suzuki though.

[LPSISRL]

I hate to say this, but had not Suzuki pulled out of the US, my 2011 SLS would never had been priced so that I could afford it. Less than $15k with bumper to bumper warranty still left on it not to mention a long time left on the power train warranty. Suzuki's demise has been my gain for sure. Otherwise I'd still be driving my SX4 or my Hyundai XG350.

I completely agree. I picked up my preowned '12 GTS with 11k miles in 2012 for about $7k under the new MSRP ($15.5k). It was a helluva deal. Crazy initial depreciation, though it seems to have leveled out.

For what I paid for my Kizashi, I could have bought an brand new Accent, Fiesta, or Rio. Those were on my radar and within my budget, but they are inferior vehicles as far as I'm concerned. I really lucked out, sorry to Suzuki though.

I really don't care about depreciation since I don't have any plans on selling it.

[bootymac]

Used Kizashis are still going for stupid prices here. I'd love to pick up a black Sport model if the prices drop

[Speed_Racer]

I really don't care about depreciation since I don't have any plans on selling it.

Same here, I plan on keeping it at least until the powertrain warranty ends. At that point I'll evaluate if it's worth holding on to based on reliability and parts availability. Since I put so few miles on it, I expect it to still be in very good shape.

[Knightstruth]

Its unfortunate for Suzuki about their demise in the North American market but it has been an advantage for many of us.
I hear some people talk as if they think a turbo KIZ would have hep Suzuki, which I disagree with. Considering they want about 30,000 USD for a fully loaded Kizashi with AWD, I couldn't imagine what a turbo version would cost. 40,000 USD? Who is paying that for a Suzuki?
The first go around when I was looking for an AWD sedan in 2011 I ended up with a 2012 Legacy because the Kizashi (dealer was a Suzuki dealer also) was priced at 27,500 (Sport GTS) and they would only come down to a touch over 25,000. They gave me 22,000 on the Legacy premium.
I now have a Sport SLS which I traded the legacy for, and the only regret I have is wasting my year with the Legacy!

[Knightstruth]

Also the car being rare does make it a topic for conversation when you pull into a busy parking lot. If a lot of people owned it then the appeal would be gone, much like the Kia optima is for me because every other block has one where I live.

[KuroNekko]

Its unfortunate for Suzuki about their demise in the North American market but it has been an advantage for many of us.
I hear some people talk as if they think a turbo KIZ would have hep Suzuki, which I disagree with. Considering they want about 30,000 USD for a fully loaded Kizashi with AWD, I couldn't imagine what a turbo version would cost. 40,000 USD? Who is paying that for a Suzuki?
The first go around when I was looking for an AWD sedan in 2011 I ended up with a 2012 Legacy because the Kizashi (dealer was a Suzuki dealer also) was priced at 27,500 (Sport GTS) and they would only come down to a touch over 25,000. They gave me 22,000 on the Legacy premium.
I now have a Sport SLS which I traded the legacy for, and the only regret I have is wasting my year with the Legacy!

Keep in mind that a turbo Kizashi would not have been something like the RRM turbo car. It would have most likely been a 2.0 liter turbo outputting roughly 250 HP. There is no way it would have pushed the Kizashi's price to near 40K. It would have been just a few thousand dollars more than the base engine and probably would have been offered in the GTS and SLS.

Just about everyone offers a 2.0 turbo or a V6 in the midsize segment. Mazda is an exception but they are smaller and also offering a diesel. Companies are favoring smaller turbos because they offer better fuel economy while outputting near V6 power. Companies that are reliability stalwarts prefer V6 engines because they are more reliable than forced induction engines especially with direct injection. This is why you don't see a turbo Camry or turbo Accord. Much like Camrys and Accords from the past, you can expect these current Camrys and Accords to be running in 20 years while I doubt you'll see Ford EcoBoost or Hyundai 2.0T with 250,000+ miles in decades to come. Simply put, their choice of engine and lack of experience with it just goes against them in the long run. However, only time will tell for certain.

[Knightstruth]

Its unfortunate for Suzuki about their demise in the North American market but it has been an advantage for many of us.
I hear some people talk as if they think a turbo KIZ would have hep Suzuki, which I disagree with. Considering they want about 30,000 USD for a fully loaded Kizashi with AWD, I couldn't imagine what a turbo version would cost. 40,000 USD? Who is paying that for a Suzuki?
The first go around when I was looking for an AWD sedan in 2011 I ended up with a 2012 Legacy because the Kizashi (dealer was a Suzuki dealer also) was priced at 27,500 (Sport GTS) and they would only come down to a touch over 25,000. They gave me 22,000 on the Legacy premium.
I now have a Sport SLS which I traded the legacy for, and the only regret I have is wasting my year with the Legacy!

Keep in mind that a turbo Kizashi would not have been something like the RRM turbo car. It would have most likely been a 2.0 liter turbo outputting roughly 250 HP. There is no way it would have pushed the Kizashi's price to near 40K. It would have been just a few thousand dollars more than the base engine and probably would have been offered in the GTS and SLS.

Just about everyone offers a 2.0 turbo or a V6 in the midsize segment. Mazda is an exception but they are smaller and also offering a diesel. Companies are favoring smaller turbos because they offer better fuel economy while outputting near V6 power. Companies that are reliability stalwarts prefer V6 engines because they are more reliable than forced induction engines especially with direct injection. This is why you don't see a turbo Camry or turbo Accord. Much like Camrys and Accords from the past, you can expect these current Camrys and Accords to be running in 20 years while I doubt you'll see Ford EcoBoost or Hyundai 2.0T with 250,000+ miles in decades to come. Simply put, their choice of engine and lack of experience with it just goes against them in the long run. However, only time will tell for certain.

I'm well aware of all this. One point you may have missed is that the build quality of the Kizashi was above the others in this category so hence the price hike.
I may have exaggerated with 40,000 but I feel it would creep close to 35,000. I guess one could argue about the AWD Fusion as well coming in around 37,000.

[KuroNekko]

I'm well aware of all this. One point you may have missed is that the build quality of the Kizashi was above the others in this category so hence the price hike.
I may have exaggerated with 40,000 but I feel it would creep close to 35,000. I guess one could argue about the AWD Fusion as well coming in around 37,000.

No doubt the Kizashi's build quality is impressive, but the competition is not far off. In fact, when I sat in all other midsize sedans offered in the US at the auto show earlier this year, I saw that many offer comparable build quality. I personally found the new Honda Accord to be impressive and also liked the new Mazda6 and Nissan Altima in terms of build quality and refinement. In the past, I thought the Kizashi was near base-level Acuras in terms of quality and refinement, but now it seems like the competition caught up.
I still think the Kizashi is better than some such as the Passat, Jetta, Camry, and Sonata, but it's now obviously outdone by the remodeled entry-level sports sedans from Acura, Audi, Benz, Lexus, etc. that it once was chasing.

[Knightstruth]

I'm well aware of all this. One point you may have missed is that the build quality of the Kizashi was above the others in this category so hence the price hike.
I may have exaggerated with 40,000 but I feel it would creep close to 35,000. I guess one could argue about the AWD Fusion as well coming in around 37,000.

No doubt the Kizashi's build quality is impressive, but the competition is not far off. In fact, when I sat in all other midsize sedans offered in the US at the auto show earlier this year, I saw that many offer comparable build quality. I personally found the new Honda Accord to be impressive and also liked the new Mazda6 and Nissan Altima in terms of build quality and refinement. In the past, I thought the Kizashi was near base-level Acuras in terms of quality and refinement, but now it seems like the competition caught up.
I still think the Kizashi is better than some such as the Passat, Jetta, Camry, and Sonata, but it's now obviously outdone by the remodeled entry-level sports sedans from Acura, Audi, Benz, Lexus, etc. that it once was chasing.

Yes I felt that the Kiz competed very well with entry level luxury sedans from past generations. It looks better to me then even a 2012 base 3 series. Time of course will pass it by, since there is no update coming for the Kiz.
The mid-size sedan marktet is very competitive with companies looking to get any edge. While I find the newer models to have come up to the Kiz's level I feel the Kizashi has the handling edge with possibly the 6 getting close. I also think a lot of car companies are missing out on the opportunity to add an AWD model to their lineup.
The legacy is built around AWD and the fusion offers it on their top of the line model (which is a mistake in my book). With the Kizashi you could get AWD on the base model and still (looking at you legacy) have a exciting car to drive. Imagine how many people would flock from Subaru to nissan, mazda etc, if they offered AWD at a reasonable price.