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KuroNekko wrote:I agree that most Landys and the Subaru Forester are in a totally different class.
Land Rovers like the LR3 and the Range Rover are very impressive offroad, but probably the very best and hardcore factory offroader is the Jeep Wrangler Rubicon. That thing was designed to take on the notorious Rubicon trail in stock form.

However, I would say that the LR Evoque and even the LR2 are more comparable to the Forester in terms of class and ability, but not price. The LR2 is more offroad capable, but more expensive and less reliable than the Forester. The Evoque is a sell-out and really a mall-crawler. Victoria Beckham pushing it is all the proof I need.

While I agree that for constant offroad use a true SUV would be better, I doubt Moto will be on unpaved rough roads most of the time. In that case, a CUV would be much better for the smoother ride and better fuel economy. The Forester is the best of them.
A good friend of mine has a Rubicon Unlimited. I saw one of those take on a trail called 'stair steps' that saw only two rigs make it to the top--a stock Rubicon Unlimited was one of them. Other vehicles snapped axles, joints or just couldn't get proper traction even fully locked. It really showed me what the true capability of a good Jeep is. 8-) It was also a silly fun day with almost 14 rigs a whole day long.

I remember the first time I saw an Evoque. It was in Paris on the Champs-Élysées. I thought it had a striking look, but didn't consider it an SUV at all. I usually hate those type of vehicles, but that one's exterior I loved.
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I seem to recall reading elsewhere on here that a member owned a Jeep Rubicon? Ronzuki? From memory he wasn't too happy with it.
http://www.kizashiclub.com/forum/viewto ... con#p21456
http://www.kizashiclub.com/forum/viewto ... con#p20305
http://www.kizashiclub.com/forum/viewto ... con#p18529
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http://www.kizashiclub.com/forum/viewto ... con#p14509
Bought the Rube new in Fall 2004, traded it in on the Kiz fall 2010. I prefer to drive that style of vehicle the best as I'm not really a car guy. The Jeep was a real POS however. I bought it with hopes of it becoming my next trail rig when I was finished daily driving it and after the Sami rusted off the frame. Never got the warm fuzzy of reliability w/ the Jeep. In the shop for far too many things it never should have been in for. Loved the factory lockers, D44 diffs and low range (4:1) xfer case. Main reason I unloaded it was that, unfortunately, Chrysler kept building the 4.0 long after the tooling was shot. Many motors are experiencing major cam and OPD problems that never can seem to be resolved even after multiple rebuilds, yes multiple (block machining issues IMHO). Mine was demonstrating all the classic syptoms of the catastrophic failure, which are too extensive to describe here. Considering it was out of warranty, extremely well maintained, never off-roaded or abused, I decided to cut my soon to be loses and dumped it. I still miss it, but not all the trips to the dealer. I even had dual tops for it. Bottom line, it never would have put up w/ the same abuse my sami does and still keep rolling, even if I were to put double its value in mods in to it.
Yes, the LR2 (as it's called in the USA - Freelander2 locally) is more the direct competition for the Forester. I've actually been looking into possibly buying one as a replacement for the wife's 2004 XL-7, from my research they're very reliable.

PS: Any Land Rover would be so much more comfortable than the Rubicon! :)

Ironically the current Grand Vitara would probably be a really good option - if it was available in the USA! It's the closest you'll get to a proper medium sized 4WD.
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Oh, I never said the Rubicon was a good car. Jeeps are notoriously unreliable. They just have really good offroad ability, but are rather poor in every other aspect from comfort, fuel efficiency, safety, reliability, etc. The new Grand Cherokee is finally changing that.

I do recall Ronzuki talking about his Rubicon. In fact, if I recall correctly, he traded that in to get the Kizashi. He wrote that the Rubicon had horrible quality control and that it had serious engine issues even with less than 40,000 miles.
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I believe the Grand Vitara was available in the US because I did sell quite a few parts for it when I had my auto parts distribution company. :)
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The current Grand Vitara is very "old tech" compared to the competition, but that's probably the best thing about it for any off sealed road use.

AFAIK it still has:
- partial ladder frame chassis
- basic design set up as a rear wheel drive (ie. north south engine with gearbox behind the engine)
- proper transfer case
- the old faithful J24B engine

I like the look of the new Cherokee, on paper they are also very well fitted out.
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When it comes to off-road, it's seems like the older technology is the way to go. There's an SUV available in India made by a local company called 'Tata'. It's the Tata Sumo. It's a proper off-road vehicle (and for good reason) that's actually be praised outside of India. And tech is definitely low--all old-school construction, manual gearbox, and not much in terms of creature comforts. But the off-road part it does pretty well. We went all sorts of places in one during a two week stint there.
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SamirD wrote:When it comes to off-road, it's seems like the older technology is the way to go. There's an SUV available in India made by a local company called 'Tata'. It's the Tata Sumo. It's a proper off-road vehicle (and for good reason) that's actually be praised outside of India. And tech is definitely low--all old-school construction, manual gearbox, and not much in terms of creature comforts. But the off-road part it does pretty well. We went all sorts of places in one during a two week stint there.
Tata is no little company. They own Jaguar and Land Rover!
I love how the once British colony now owns some of Britain's most famous marques.
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KuroNekko wrote:Tata is no little company. They own Jaguar and Land Rover!
I love how the once British colony now owns some of Britain's most famous marques.
Wow! I had no idea! It is quite ironic, lol.

If my dad wouldn't have immigrated to the US, he probably would have worked for them as an engineer. And something tells me with the way that he is, he would have still found himself at home in the US. :lol: He was American before he left India.
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lol quite the lengthy discussion on my part.

Got the job offer as I expected. I have not responded yet, but I expect that I will take it.

I stopped into subaru to see if I could get some quotes. Unfortunately, I don't have enough cash sitting to buy one outright so I don't have a great bargaining chip on the table.

As far as the drive. It is over 300 miles of four lane and maybe about 15 or 20 of bad roads , but they will be roads as equipment has to be able to make it to location. I think I can beef up a forester enough to not have any trouble. Stock Chevys ar all lower in the front so they can be the snow plows. I just need to be a little taller than the lowest four wheel drives out there. I've lived up here long enough to realize that tires and driving ability are the real key. I get around better in my saabaru than a lot of people do in much bigger vehicles. The only real issue is once you start to drag you are SOL.

I will probably even check into metal skid plates. They are easy to get for the WRX, but I have a feeling the new engine layout may have got rid of some key bolt holes.

Ideally, I will get something that gets reasonable mileage as I intend to use for a regular DD as well. Once you start getting into full size SUV range you may as well get a pickup.

KuroNekko I may check into a Cherokee Trailhawk as well.
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Congrats on the offer! 8-)

I believe the Forrester also had skid plates available either through Subaru or aftermarket. There's a lot of support for Subarus in the aftermarket, so I think you'll be alright with getting the height where you need it.

You'll have to post pictures of the new ride, whatever it may be. :mrgreen:
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