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KuroNekko wrote:The Japanese aren't slipping. They are simply building more in the US. The quality of US-built cars and their parts suppliers are good, but not Made in Japan good. I'm rather particular about this so I like my Japanese cars made in Japan. It's actually one of the aspects about the Kizashi that attracted me to it. Many rivals in its class are made in the US.

While I believe that Koreans cars are getting better, I still think they need a ways to go. Don't mistake initial quality with long term durability. I mean, have you heard of Hyundais with 250,000 miles yet? Not very much. You barely see any Korean cars on the road that are older than 10 years old. Yet, it's not hard to find late 90's/early 2000's Toyota Camrys with 230,000 miles owned by girls with no idea how to fill oil in an engine.

While I agree that many products in the US are not as good as their foreign counterparts, I'd disagree that Americans don't care. They do. That's why so many gravitated to foreign brands. While some Americans prefer domestics, many want the best for their hard-earned money, regardless of who makes it. The Japanese have been the best at offering quality cars for a good value for decades.
Even today, the best selling midsize and compacts are Japanese brands.
Domestics do offer quality, but they focused it on very specific segments like full size trucks for a long time and neglected others like compacts and midsizes. They are now finally investing money into developing competitive cars and people are taking notice.
I should have worded my statement better--the Japanese are slipping in the US market. JDM is still JDM good as you've pointed out. 8-)

But it is the initial quality and quality components that lead to those durability numbers. While the Camrys of 1988 are still on the road, those from 2008 can't hold a candle to the Japanese 'goodness' that was in those cars of old. There just haven't been enough Korean sales of their better products to say that they won't be the 1988 Camrys 20 years from now.

While Americans do appreciate quality, it's not like a decision is made to buy or not buy based on it. In other markets and parts of the world where money is harder to come by, people will simple not buy a car that isn't quality. And that's the difference.
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I sort of fall into that quality category.

The capability of the AWD system is also important. The subau and the Jeep are the only two that are going to cut it in the CUV market. My experience with Jeeps is very poor. I don't really care if they are not the same company.

Basically my car history....
1. I had an 89 sentra that self destructed due to a timing chain tightener failure, but I payed 900 for the car and knew it was about to die. I ran it for two years with the chain chattering against the casing. (Sold the body and the car is back on the road the last I knew)
2. I still have my 91 corolla with nearly 300k miles on it and it runs fine, but it is sort of a death trap will all of the other much larger vehicles on the road and all of the struts are blown.
3. My family still owns our 2001 Camry (made in US) It has nearly 300K as well (first college car).
4. My 03 Protege5 has 118K Runs like a champ did a timing belt and a few headlights
5. 1996 Jeep bought the car once to fix it up. Drove it once decided it was a POS sold it to another guy for parts. (luckly made a little money)
6. My 05 Saabaru has ~120K (Lots of work done to car)
Long story short... My family tends to keep our old Japaneses cars and sell our domestic cars.

In the same time span we have also owned a few ford tracers (Mazda built engines). Two Mercury sables.:facepalm:(actually OK mechanically) and a two F150s.

The Korean car dealership in town is shady as hell (Used to sell Suzuki). I will never buy a car from them. I have also helped friends wrench on Hyundais and Kias. I was not impressed with the build quality(expect all Korean cars would rattle apart on washboard gravel roads). They look nice, but the don't drive as well as Japanese cars, and I really don't think the materials they use are as good yet. I'm not saying they won't get there. I haven't looked at the their latest gen vehicles, but the last gen was still bad.

A few posts back the sx4 was mentioned... I like them but it won't cut it for what I want, and my favorite shady dealer that I mentioned has a used one on the lot (2010). The sticker on it is $13999 which is probably right about what that car cost new. I'm sure they probably offered the person less than three grand on their trade.
I had my protege 5 (70k miles) into their dealer when they had the first kizashi on the lot and they offered me 2000 on trade on a car that was nearly perfect. I still think I could get in that car and safely drive it just about anywhere in the country without worrying about mechanical problems.

Honestly, I'm a bit of a subaru fan boy. I have worked on mine quite a bit and it has had several problems, but I have never driven a car with the kind of usable power mine has. I absolutely embarrass just about everything on the road in the snow, and it will hang with cars that cost twice as much in the summer. The limits of my saabaru are usually outside of my driving ability. From everything I have read the new Forester XT should be better in just about every way, and if I were to have a kid someday they might even fit in the back of the Forster.
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I love the Protege 5. I almost bought one back in the day. Very capable and well-built car for reliable communting. 8-) Ironic that it was built in Hiroshima (at least the one I was looking at). :lol:

If you know the Subaru brand, that's where I would also be looking first. Knowing first-hand how they work, what's wrong when they're not acting right and the fix, and having 'wrench time' as well as 'seat time' with them will keep you on the road and safe. It's just a matter of finding one that's in your budget in such a short timeframe. :( We know how difficult a quick life-adjustment is--we packed up and moved from NYC to MKE in 2 weeks for my wife's job. :o
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SamirD wrote:Ironic that it was built in Hiroshima (at least the one I was looking at). :lol:
Why is it ironic that it was built in Hiroshima? Mazda is from that city and is the biggest company there. I've read that over 30% of Hiroshima's GDP is attributed to Mazda. While it's most famous for the atomic bomb, the city is actually pretty nice. I've been there.

Mazda has another plan in Hofu, Japan where the Mazda3 is built. They are moving production of some Mazda2 and Mazda3 models to Mexico when that plant opens in the next year or so.
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Moto wrote:
Honestly, I'm a bit of a subaru fan boy.
:D The decision was already made!

Is the XT only available with the CVT trans- no manual option?
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Well, I did look at the rest, but I didn't find anything that could do everything the subaru could do.
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This is what you really need. :)

http://www.carsales.com.au/reviews/2013 ... ed-reviews
At 250mm, the Defender’s axles have more ground clearance than most SUVs have body clearance. It will climb and descend a full 45 degrees, and with approach and departure angles of 47 degrees, you don’t need to be too concerned with your angle of attack, either.
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KuroNekko wrote:Why is it ironic that it was built in Hiroshima? Mazda is from that city and is the biggest company there. I've read that over 30% of Hiroshima's GDP is attributed to Mazda. While it's most famous for the atomic bomb, the city is actually pretty nice. I've been there.

Mazda has another plan in Hofu, Japan where the Mazda3 is built. They are moving production of some Mazda2 and Mazda3 models to Mexico when that plant opens in the next year or so.
Exactly because of that. 8-) The US bombs the city and then imports its wonderful cars because American cars in the same category aren't as good. :lol:
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murcod wrote:This is what you really need. :)

http://www.carsales.com.au/reviews/2013 ... ed-reviews
At 250mm, the Defender’s axles have more ground clearance than most SUVs have body clearance. It will climb and descend a full 45 degrees, and with approach and departure angles of 47 degrees, you don’t need to be too concerned with your angle of attack, either.
Not a chance. Our government hates cool cars from other countries.
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murcod wrote:This is what you really need. :)

http://www.carsales.com.au/reviews/2013 ... ed-reviews
At 250mm, the Defender’s axles have more ground clearance than most SUVs have body clearance. It will climb and descend a full 45 degrees, and with approach and departure angles of 47 degrees, you don’t need to be too concerned with your angle of attack, either.
Hmmm...I see your Defender, and raise you a Hummer: ;)
http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inventoryl ... g=69094761
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