Sorry in advance for the long post. Just ranting...
So I went to purchase today, came home empty handed after a horrible experience. I had talked to the dealer this monday who had the car listed on their website for 19k and a $1500 rebate. On Wednesday the price changed on their web page from 19 to 24k so I called and the salesman I had originally talked to and she told me the general manager changed the website to msrp, but would honor the original price we had discussed. I was willing to work a deal and drive one home as were my parents since they are in the market for a new car also. Anyway we went up early this morning to test drive a set of 2012 awd se kizashi. After sitting down to work a deal the general manager ended up telling us they would not sell any less than msrp. After hours of talking and our salesman running her tail off working to get us a good deal they kept jacking us around and we left. Our salesman truly was great, we had stepped outside to discuss things and came back in to see the general manager yelling at her. I will never go back to that car lot. But I was thinking of trying to get the car I was trying to buy transferred to another Suzuki lot owned by the same guy that we were at today. Maybe they will be willing to work and not be like the general manager we dealt with today.
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That's ridiculous.
Dealers need to sell the Kizashi to anyone they can. Asking for over 20k on any Kizashi is ridiculous at this point. Yes, I love the car, but the economics of it are cold, hard facts:
- The company left the US and Canadian market and may possibly never return. This means dealership service, parts, and warranties are compromised even if they are guaranteed by law. The experience will not be the same as say taking a Toyota in for warranty service. ALL of Suzuki's rivals have a much better warranty incentive at this point. Oh and they actually have dealers somewhere within 25 miles of most people unlike Suzuki.
- The car is unpopular. Hell, the only people who know of the car are Kizashi owners and car enthusiasts. A random poll would easily show that most people would think a "Kizashi" is a sushi item instead of a car.
- Poor resale value. For the two reason above, any Suzuki will have rock bottom resale value. Even cars with known lower reliability and lower build quality will have a better resale value.
There is NO WAY anyone should pay anything close to 24k for a Kizashi now.
You can get yourself a popular car that is actually going to be valuable later on for that price. The Kizashi is a better car, no doubt, but aspects other than the car's engineering will affect its price on the market.
Dealers need to sell the Kizashi to anyone they can. Asking for over 20k on any Kizashi is ridiculous at this point. Yes, I love the car, but the economics of it are cold, hard facts:
- The company left the US and Canadian market and may possibly never return. This means dealership service, parts, and warranties are compromised even if they are guaranteed by law. The experience will not be the same as say taking a Toyota in for warranty service. ALL of Suzuki's rivals have a much better warranty incentive at this point. Oh and they actually have dealers somewhere within 25 miles of most people unlike Suzuki.
- The car is unpopular. Hell, the only people who know of the car are Kizashi owners and car enthusiasts. A random poll would easily show that most people would think a "Kizashi" is a sushi item instead of a car.
- Poor resale value. For the two reason above, any Suzuki will have rock bottom resale value. Even cars with known lower reliability and lower build quality will have a better resale value.
There is NO WAY anyone should pay anything close to 24k for a Kizashi now.
You can get yourself a popular car that is actually going to be valuable later on for that price. The Kizashi is a better car, no doubt, but aspects other than the car's engineering will affect its price on the market.
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kizashicar
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I brought up these exact points but the general manager just kept saying no...
They even had a 2013 SLS demo car with 5000+ miles 3 curbed rims(hard impact very noticeable), and it had been backed into something but they would no budge off msrp at all. I will not give that stealership a penny of mine.
Oh well, on with the search.
They even had a 2013 SLS demo car with 5000+ miles 3 curbed rims(hard impact very noticeable), and it had been backed into something but they would no budge off msrp at all. I will not give that stealership a penny of mine.
Oh well, on with the search.
KuroNekko wrote:That's ridiculous.
Dealers need to sell the Kizashi to anyone they can. Asking for over 20k on any Kizashi is ridiculous at this point. Yes, I love the car, but the economics of it are cold, hard facts:
- The company left the US and Canadian market and may possibly never return. This means dealership service, parts, and warranties are compromised even if they are guaranteed by law. The experience will not be the same as say taking a Toyota in for warranty service. ALL of Suzuki's rivals have a much better warranty incentive at this point. Oh and they actually have dealers somewhere within 25 miles of most people unlike Suzuki.
- The car is unpopular. Hell, the only people who know of the car are Kizashi owners and car enthusiasts. A random poll would easily show that most people would think a "Kizashi" is a sushi item instead of a car.
- Poor resale value. For the two reason above, any Suzuki will have rock bottom resale value. Even cars with known lower reliability and lower build quality will have a better resale value.
There is NO WAY anyone should pay anything close to 24k for a Kizashi now.
You can get yourself a popular car that is actually going to be valuable later on for that price. The Kizashi is a better car, no doubt, but aspects other than the car's engineering will affect its price on the market.
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kizashicar
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Update...
My parents went and purchased last night. They picked up a 2012 SE AWD with 400 miles, the platinum silver color. It is a very nice car I took it to the doctor today and I really do like them on the long drives, they are very comfortable. But IMO they were raped. They gave 20k for it after trading in my dads old accord for 3500$!! So they basically paid full price, I told them not to but oh well. I'm going to keep searching for any out of state since all local lots are sold out, except the lot that I won't be going back to.
My parents went and purchased last night. They picked up a 2012 SE AWD with 400 miles, the platinum silver color. It is a very nice car I took it to the doctor today and I really do like them on the long drives, they are very comfortable. But IMO they were raped. They gave 20k for it after trading in my dads old accord for 3500$!! So they basically paid full price, I told them not to but oh well. I'm going to keep searching for any out of state since all local lots are sold out, except the lot that I won't be going back to.
Was that cash or financing through the dealer? No way I'd pay 20k for a 2012 SE even if it had 0 miles. I might pay that much for an extremely low mileage 2012 SLS, but even then I'd try for lower considering that dealership service/support could become very shaky in the next few years....and that's for the few dealerships left that will still handle warranty work.kizashicar wrote:Update...
My parents went and purchased last night. They picked up a 2012 SE AWD with 400 miles, the platinum silver color. It is a very nice car I took it to the doctor today and I really do like them on the long drives, they are very comfortable. But IMO they were raped. They gave 20k for it after trading in my dads old accord for 3500$!! So they basically paid full price, I told them not to but oh well. I'm going to keep searching for any out of state since all local lots are sold out, except the lot that I won't be going back to.
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I wouldn't want to pay full right now, but if I were in the market I'd have to compare the car and its price against the competition. If it still beats the competition, perhaps I'd buy. And now, there are far fewer new Kizashis to go around presumably. So then, maybe I'd pay full price. Or higher. Supply and demand.
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Wow that salesperson scored big time on your folks
The car itself either meets or beats the competition in the same price range, and that hasn't changed. What has changed is that many people may not have a Suzuki dealer still providing warranty service within decent driving distance of where they live. And then even if you do have one nearby, (see the new thread from the guy with the 2012 and a blown engine) you might not get the same level of service and respect that was offered before the announcement. (especially if you buy the car at one dealership and have it serviced at another closer to you)chazyouwin wrote:I wouldn't want to pay full right now, but if I were in the market I'd have to compare the car and its price against the competition. If it still beats the competition, perhaps I'd buy. And now, there are far fewer new Kizashis to go around presumably. So then, maybe I'd pay full price. Or higher. Supply and demand.
Basically what I've seen since I've been shopping for a Kizashi is this: Most dealers are putting realistic starting prices on their remaining stock, while others either missed the Suzuki pullout announcement, or are just trolling buyers who may not have heard themselves. (near full pre-announcement retail starting price) No way I would pay anywhere near full retail even for a 2013 with 0 miles..
There is NO Fing way a dealer can pretend to not know about the Suzuki pull out. The fact that there is no new inventory coming in is a tell-tale sign. There are NO 2014 Suzukis despite that fact that all other makes have 2014 models now. If a dealer is saying that they have not heard of Suzuki leaving the US and Canada, they are FULL OF SHIT.
Even a non-Suzuki dealer cannot claim ignorance to this. Anyone who has any interest or position in the automotive market should be aware of this news. Why? Because if you were to try trade in your Kizashi for say, an Accord, they will give you practically chump change for it.
Many auto journalists have even predicted the Suzuki pull out in the recent years. Thetruthaboutcars.com even had a series called "Suzuki Deathwatch" where they followed Suzuki's demise and inevitable pull out over a long time span.
I really love the Kizashi, but if you are not given a really good deal on one, you should not buy one. There is absolutely no incentive to do so other than for the car itself. The circumstances around the car are just about as bad as they get.
The brand left the market, warranty and parts are compromised, and the resale value is ROCK BOTTOM. No matter what dealers may spin at you, these are incontrovertible facts that goes to warrant a low price on any Suzuki.
Supply and Demand economics don't really apply to orphaned items. The car is unpopular and the brand is in oblivion for most consumers. The dealers seem to be doing their best to gouge the VERY FEW people who are interested in the car. They pretend that supply is really low yet demand is high, but the reality is that demand was so low that Suzuki eliminated the supply. Dealers are desperately trying to spin the opposite to get the most out of the very few people who are interested in a Kizashi or another Suzuki.
I love my Kizashi and think that it's a fantastic car, but I only own it because I stumbled upon a very good deal. Had it not been close to 4000 dollars off what it should go for (even before the Suzuki pull out), I would not have even considered checking it out.
If you don't get a good deal on it, you should really look at something else.
Even a non-Suzuki dealer cannot claim ignorance to this. Anyone who has any interest or position in the automotive market should be aware of this news. Why? Because if you were to try trade in your Kizashi for say, an Accord, they will give you practically chump change for it.
Many auto journalists have even predicted the Suzuki pull out in the recent years. Thetruthaboutcars.com even had a series called "Suzuki Deathwatch" where they followed Suzuki's demise and inevitable pull out over a long time span.
I really love the Kizashi, but if you are not given a really good deal on one, you should not buy one. There is absolutely no incentive to do so other than for the car itself. The circumstances around the car are just about as bad as they get.
The brand left the market, warranty and parts are compromised, and the resale value is ROCK BOTTOM. No matter what dealers may spin at you, these are incontrovertible facts that goes to warrant a low price on any Suzuki.
Supply and Demand economics don't really apply to orphaned items. The car is unpopular and the brand is in oblivion for most consumers. The dealers seem to be doing their best to gouge the VERY FEW people who are interested in the car. They pretend that supply is really low yet demand is high, but the reality is that demand was so low that Suzuki eliminated the supply. Dealers are desperately trying to spin the opposite to get the most out of the very few people who are interested in a Kizashi or another Suzuki.
I love my Kizashi and think that it's a fantastic car, but I only own it because I stumbled upon a very good deal. Had it not been close to 4000 dollars off what it should go for (even before the Suzuki pull out), I would not have even considered checking it out.
If you don't get a good deal on it, you should really look at something else.
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Yeah, I was being a little sarcastic about dealers not knowing about Suzuki leaving, but I have seriously seen some dealers with remaining 2013 stock wanting $28k+ for an SLS. of course they're starting high to give themselves room to come down, but still that's too high of a starting point for an orphaned car. It may not be "orphaned" in the same sense as Saab, but I would ask the sales manager (the one who really decides final prices) point blank: If I bought this Kizashi today for the price you're asking, and then brought it back later this afternoon to trade in on another make/model...how much would you give me? Of course you might not get a real answer, but the point would be made.. 