Fuel economy and iAWD - let the fun begin!

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Knightstruth
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murcod wrote:The important bits from that previous link - in case that page is ever taken down:
Drawing on more than 40 years of engineering expertise, Suzuki has developed an active all-wheel drive system designed to maximise the driving experience.

“Kizashi Sport AWD actually anticipates oversteer or understeer and can split drive to either the front or rear wheels to provide maximum driving enjoyment

“This ‘sixth sense’ makes the Kizashi Sport AWD Suzuki’s ultimate expression of driving dynamics.

“For example, when you accelerate from rest, the system detects the extra throttle input and automatically sends drive to the rear wheels to ensure a smooth, safe take-off.”

Devers said Kizashi Sport AWD inspired greater driver confidence by enabling optimum take-off, acceleration and cornering.

He explained a key element of the new i-AWD system was feedforward control, which adjusts the proportion of engine torque sent to the rear wheels according to road conditions, vehicle dynamic conditions and driver input.

The system was created by an engineering team drawing on more than 40 years’ expertise in all-wheel and four-wheel drive. It has helped them create an all-wheel drive system for the road; a system representing a new era in driving enjoyment.

“Most soft roaders and all-wheel drive systems employ a reactive system that engages all four wheels only after detecting a loss of traction.

“With the Kizashi Sport AWD, the new active handling works in partnership with ESP to ensure optimum handling levels. We call it synergetic vehicle dynamics control.”

By constantly monitoring inputs from all the ESP sensors – wheel, steering wheel, yaw and lateral g – the system can anticipate when to increase or decrease torque to the front or rear wheels and even provides counter-steering assistance.

The technology adds an extra level of driving enjoyment, while working in tandem with ESP to ensure occupant safety levels are never compromised.

In normal driving, the system is constantly monitoring data sent from all the sensors. In a standard car, excessive understeer would be countered by reducing torque to the front wheels and braking the inside front wheel to assist turn-in.

The Sport AWD uses the same data but, if the ESP threshold has not been crossed, the logic helps enhance the driving experience.

By decreasing torque to the front wheels and simultaneously increasing torque to the rear wheels, it limits understeer, helps the car turn safely and contributes to the driving experience.

In an oversteer situation, the car reduces torque to the rear wheels, increases torque to the front wheels and provides counter steering assistance.

By actively reducing excessive oversteer or understeer, it encourages a more neutral handling characteristic.

“The system was developed by Suzuki engineers with a priority on driving feel, not just its operating logic.

“Kizashi was always designed to be a driver’s car, and the Kizashi Sport AWD represents the definitive example of that philosophy.”

Devers said while the system would reward enthusiast drivers, the impressive safety systems inherent in every Kizashi ensured maximum safety for all occupants was never compromised.

i-AWD system

Power to the rear wheels is delivered via the i-AWD controller, which constantly monitors driver input and vehicle dynamic conditions to deliver the most efficient division of power.

The key delivery component is an electronically controlled wet-type multi-plate clutch coupling, in which the degree of magnetic clutch action is modulated to provide optimum traction.

The coupling is regulated with an electrical current alternating between the two and all-wheel drive modes, based on data supplied by the array of sensors including wheel, steering wheel, yaw and lateral G.

In a first for Suzuki, the transfer case features a force-fed internal lubrication system to ensure improved durability.

The AWD system can be engaged on the fly by pressing the dash-mounted switch.
If true that is one advanced awd system. Seems to not be in line with the reviews I have read though. Most reviews say the awd only activates when wheelspin is detected, otherwise it is front-wheel drive. The system above sounds more like the Acura SH-AWD which helps with drivability.
On that same note I think many reviews are incorrect about the FWD/AWD switch affecting fuel economy. Interesting either way.
murcod
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It almost made me feel like I'd been short changed buying the FWD model. :)
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Me too. I had an AWD SX4 and the AWD rarely came on. It was extra weight, complexity and maintenance. In SE Virginia I just didn't see the need for AWD. Thinking the Kizashi iAWD was the same system, I avoided the AWD on the Kizashi. Now I wish I would have waited to see if I could have found an AWD. I still love my 2011 SLS though.
Knightstruth
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So yesterday I put my car in AWD mode, for the first time in dry weather. I could be imagining it but it did handle noticably better than when in FWD mode. It hugged the road better and came out of corners quicker. Again it could be my imagination but it did seem like an advanced AWD system.
If it truly is the case that this is a sorta SH-awd than Suzuki really dropped the ball in advertising this car. What a bargain!
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DWenz
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Knightstruth wrote:So yesterday I put my car in AWD mode, for the first time in dry weather. I could be imagining it but it did handle noticably better than when in FWD mode. It hugged the road better and came out of corners quicker. Again it could be my imagination but it did seem like an advanced AWD system.
If it truly is the case that this is a sorta SH-awd than Suzuki really dropped the ball in advertising this car. What a bargain!
i know it's the power of suggestion, but I concur. Mine feels the same.
2013 SLS AWD
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DWenz wrote:
Knightstruth wrote:So yesterday I put my car in AWD mode, for the first time in dry weather. I could be imagining it but it did handle noticably better than when in FWD mode. It hugged the road better and came out of corners quicker. Again it could be my imagination but it did seem like an advanced AWD system.
If it truly is the case that this is a sorta SH-awd than Suzuki really dropped the ball in advertising this car. What a bargain!
i know it's the power of suggestion, but I concur. Mine feels the same.
It's not your imagination. Enjoy!
Former driver of a 2011 SLS AWD Platinum
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Ronzuki
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Nope, definitely not one's imagination....
Ron

2010 Kizashi GTS, CVT, iAWD (3/10 build date)
2011 SX4 Premium Hatch, CVT, iAWD (12/10 build date)
2018 Mazda CX-5 iAWD Touring
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WESHOOT2
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What he said.
KiwiME
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LPSISRL wrote:... I can't imaging that Suzuki would engineer a whole new system for one product?

Hi people, new guy here. I'm always interested in technical discussions about Suzukis and can't resist sticking my nose in. I don't have a Kizashi but am on my 4th Suzuki, a 2011 Grand Vitara 2.4, which of course has the same J24B engine. I've also owned a 2009 Swift Sport, a 2004 Grand Vitara diesel and even a '75 Fronte Coupe 2-stroke.

Referring to the AWD system, both the Kizashi and the SX4 have the same off-the shelf multi-plate clutch (located in front of the rear diff) as many other AWD vehicles. It's made by JTEKT Corp who also make a controller, although I'm unsure if Suzuki use it or have developed their own.

My 2007 Nissan X-Trail had one of these too, so I spent some time trying to understand how it works. Like Suzuki, Nissan talk it up with a lot of marketing spin.

The main thing to understand is that the clutch is operated by a mechanical servo that amplifies the magnetic attraction provided by the 0-2.8 amp control current. The servo (a cam plate with ball rollers) relies on the speed difference across the clutch to provide power to squeeze the plates together. If the front/rear axle gearing is the same (and it normally is) then there must be some other speed difference present due to either slippage at the front or cornering (from the Ackermann effect) in order to activate the clutch.
The lock position on the SX4 simply takes the control current up to the maximum such that a little speed difference provides maximum clamping force. Of course the clutch can't lock-up completely otherwise the clamping force would disappear.
Lastly, every time the clutch operates it heats up a little bit. That's not likely a problem on a road vehicle but if you are driving in sand you might see a problem.
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last tank 382.8 miles, 12.383 gallons of Sunoco Premium

works out to 30.9 mpg


and i had fun.....
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