Not sure where you're located, but I put a link up to a black manual at a lot around here somewhere a few days ago.
http://www.kizashiclub.com/forum/viewto ... =10&t=2719
Hey all. Thinking about coming back to the club.
Yeah, you can't compare the reliability of factory turbos to aftermarket. Hands down, the Mitsubishi Ralliart will be more reliable and longer-lasting than a Kizashi with a RRM turbo kit. You can also kiss the powertrain warranty goodbye with an aftermarket turbo installed. Both Mitsu and Suzuki have very good powertrain warranties so it's not something you can throw to the wind.
It really boils down to performance vs. comfort.
If you want the performance, go with the Ralliart. However, it comes at a higher price all around.
If you want comfort (now and years to come) I think the Kizashi is a much better choice while still being a bit sporty.
It's a hard choice, but it's ultimately up to what you want from your car.
It really boils down to performance vs. comfort.
If you want the performance, go with the Ralliart. However, it comes at a higher price all around.
If you want comfort (now and years to come) I think the Kizashi is a much better choice while still being a bit sporty.
It's a hard choice, but it's ultimately up to what you want from your car.
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I realize that adding a turbo to the Kiz would lower the reliability factor somewhat, however, there are several turbo SX4's on our forum and as long as you keep the boost to a lower "more adult" level, it doesn't really change much, and in fact, the mpg have DRASTICALLY increased. Given the block is esentially the same from the J20 to the J24, I can imagine this to be the same for the Kiz as well. Besides, you wouldn't have to turbo the car, I was just adding some numbers up for you so you can see what you can actually do with the 11 grand. If it were me, the extra 11K would go to pay off about a third of my mortgage. LOL
Anyway, as far as reliability in stock form, I have heard horror stories, but then again, I have never driven a RA. I really have no frame of reference other than the Kiz's reliability is second only to my SX4. Given the turbo and some of the other proprietary RA engine components, I can't imagine it being cheap when something DOES go wrong. I guess the same could be said about the Kiz given it's rarity in the US, but so far, I haven't heard anything to the contrary.
As far as the amount of miles goes, 33k is almost brand new in my view, but then again, I drive almost 20,000 miles a year. Heck, we did 4,000 miles in the first week of our Kiz ownership.
All I can say is that if it were me, (it isn't tho, so take my advice with a grain of salt please!) I would begin to be dissappointed and bored with the auto very quickly. Having all that power and a turbo really means nothing if you have no control over how it's put to the ground. Having 50 less HP in the Kiz means nothing really if the car shifts out of the power band before you want it to. A 31K car may not have a telescopic steering wheel, but if you get the manual, but I guarentee you, you won't care as you shift through the gears on a curvy road at red-line in one of the most beautiful and well built cars on the road....
Just my oppinion though!! LOL have a great Thanksgiving!!
Anyway, as far as reliability in stock form, I have heard horror stories, but then again, I have never driven a RA. I really have no frame of reference other than the Kiz's reliability is second only to my SX4. Given the turbo and some of the other proprietary RA engine components, I can't imagine it being cheap when something DOES go wrong. I guess the same could be said about the Kiz given it's rarity in the US, but so far, I haven't heard anything to the contrary.
As far as the amount of miles goes, 33k is almost brand new in my view, but then again, I drive almost 20,000 miles a year. Heck, we did 4,000 miles in the first week of our Kiz ownership.
All I can say is that if it were me, (it isn't tho, so take my advice with a grain of salt please!) I would begin to be dissappointed and bored with the auto very quickly. Having all that power and a turbo really means nothing if you have no control over how it's put to the ground. Having 50 less HP in the Kiz means nothing really if the car shifts out of the power band before you want it to. A 31K car may not have a telescopic steering wheel, but if you get the manual, but I guarentee you, you won't care as you shift through the gears on a curvy road at red-line in one of the most beautiful and well built cars on the road....
Just my oppinion though!! LOL have a great Thanksgiving!!
No one addressed the resale value. It's already pretty low, anyone think that resale value should be a factor here? Im thinking with the way it's been going the only way to own a Kiz is to be in it for the long haul. No two or three year trades down the road.
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That would be the correct thinking regarding a Suzuki automobile. It's already low, so pick one up as cheap as you can and drive the wheels off it.
Ron
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2010 Kizashi GTS, CVT, iAWD (3/10 build date)
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) 1991 Samurai, 5-Speed, EFI, Soft-Top (
sold)Right, but your other choice is a Mitsubishi right?
In case you don't know, Mitsubishi currently has one of the worse reputations in the auto business and their resale value is near (more likely at) the bottom.
Many people do not think they will last another 3 years in the US.
So while you are right about Suzuki having dismal resale value, Mitsu is not in an inevitable place.
Like I already wrote, I was in a few Mitsubishi dealers this week and let me tell you, they were like ghost towns. People simply do not care for the 4 cars they are selling right now. While I believe Mitsubishis are underrated, consumer and market perception drive resale value.
My co-worker did not even know the Outlander Sport existed until I suggested it to her when she claimed to be interested in compact SUVs.
The Lancer is very long in the tooth and now consistently ranks among the lowest rated compacts. Without the Evo, Lancers would be outright dead in the minds of consumers.
The Japanese cars that hold resale are the luxury brands, Hondas, Toyotas, and Subarus. Even Nissans don't hold up too well.
In case you don't know, Mitsubishi currently has one of the worse reputations in the auto business and their resale value is near (more likely at) the bottom.
Many people do not think they will last another 3 years in the US.
So while you are right about Suzuki having dismal resale value, Mitsu is not in an inevitable place.
Like I already wrote, I was in a few Mitsubishi dealers this week and let me tell you, they were like ghost towns. People simply do not care for the 4 cars they are selling right now. While I believe Mitsubishis are underrated, consumer and market perception drive resale value.
My co-worker did not even know the Outlander Sport existed until I suggested it to her when she claimed to be interested in compact SUVs.
The Lancer is very long in the tooth and now consistently ranks among the lowest rated compacts. Without the Evo, Lancers would be outright dead in the minds of consumers.
The Japanese cars that hold resale are the luxury brands, Hondas, Toyotas, and Subarus. Even Nissans don't hold up too well.
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In terms of resale, think this way. (and in an effort to not repeat everything already said here)
1.) Suzuki has already pulled out of the US leaving several good almost new cars in their wake. Mitsu is MAYBE 3 years away from doing the same. You can still buy good Mitsu's however, the are still priced as a new or nearly new current car in the US. (as evident in the $27k asking price.)
2.) As seen in these forums and the SX4 forums, the very second Suzuki announced it's pull out of the US, enthusuasts of all ages and steriotypes bought up nearly every brand new example of almost all vehicle offerings available. I do not believe this will be the case with Mitsu, since there are so many new ones out there now. It was very difficult to find a reasonably equipped Suzuki brand new BEFORE the pull out, Mitsu's are a dime a dozen here and the dealers here are practically giving them away...
3.) Most Suzuki owners are brand loyal till the end. Most Mitsu owners I know have bought their first and last Mitsubishi....
4.) $13,500 is a lot less money to lose on resale in 3 years than $24,500 (or whatever the prices were, I don't remember now) no matter how you do the math.
Either way, it is evident that Mitsu is pulling out oof the US, it's just a matter of time. (if you want "proof", drive by the factory in Bloomington Illinois after 3 PM. You think the dealerships are ghost towns? They have pretty much laid off their workforce already...) If you look at resale value, you will be left with an orphaned car brand that isn't worth much no matter which you choose. At the very least, you should be more concerned about which vehicle you will lose the LEAST on one 3 years. Either will have a "cult" following and someone will be willing to pay for the right example, but dealers won't. Orphaned car companies don't pay the rent for them.
Good luck either way you turn, but if you want real resale value AND AWD, buy a truck or visit a Subaru dealer. There are some GREAT WRX examples in my area for the $19,000-$23,000 range. Everything the RA has with none of the parent's problems or reputation....
1.) Suzuki has already pulled out of the US leaving several good almost new cars in their wake. Mitsu is MAYBE 3 years away from doing the same. You can still buy good Mitsu's however, the are still priced as a new or nearly new current car in the US. (as evident in the $27k asking price.)
2.) As seen in these forums and the SX4 forums, the very second Suzuki announced it's pull out of the US, enthusuasts of all ages and steriotypes bought up nearly every brand new example of almost all vehicle offerings available. I do not believe this will be the case with Mitsu, since there are so many new ones out there now. It was very difficult to find a reasonably equipped Suzuki brand new BEFORE the pull out, Mitsu's are a dime a dozen here and the dealers here are practically giving them away...
3.) Most Suzuki owners are brand loyal till the end. Most Mitsu owners I know have bought their first and last Mitsubishi....
4.) $13,500 is a lot less money to lose on resale in 3 years than $24,500 (or whatever the prices were, I don't remember now) no matter how you do the math.
Either way, it is evident that Mitsu is pulling out oof the US, it's just a matter of time. (if you want "proof", drive by the factory in Bloomington Illinois after 3 PM. You think the dealerships are ghost towns? They have pretty much laid off their workforce already...) If you look at resale value, you will be left with an orphaned car brand that isn't worth much no matter which you choose. At the very least, you should be more concerned about which vehicle you will lose the LEAST on one 3 years. Either will have a "cult" following and someone will be willing to pay for the right example, but dealers won't. Orphaned car companies don't pay the rent for them.
Good luck either way you turn, but if you want real resale value AND AWD, buy a truck or visit a Subaru dealer. There are some GREAT WRX examples in my area for the $19,000-$23,000 range. Everything the RA has with none of the parent's problems or reputation....
It is rather impressive how well the wrx holds its value and I know subaru is a great company. My only reason why the wrx isn't on my list is because I don't like how the car looks whatsoever. I'm about 95 percent on the kizashis side right now. I'm going to the dealer o n thursday and if the price is right I may have the kiz before the weekend.
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I agree that the WRX is kind of.... well.... like Zooey Daschenale (sp?) Sexy in her own right, but given the choice between her and Angelina Jolie, Angelina might have a bad reputation and LOTS of miles on her, but she sure is better looking!!
I honestly believe the Kiz is a better care for the price. I don't believe you'd be dissappointed.
I honestly believe the Kiz is a better care for the price. I don't believe you'd be dissappointed.
Hmmmm you ever look at a saab 92x aero? It does look fairly similar but it more or less fits your other requirements. There is a good technical support network available for the car as well.
It is a Subaru WRX that is better looking and nicer inside. If you are sort of into cult cars the 92x is it.
It is fairly hard to find a nice example for sale.
It is a Subaru WRX that is better looking and nicer inside. If you are sort of into cult cars the 92x is it.
It is fairly hard to find a nice example for sale.