She's Dead Jim

[FrankoLaMoya]

I fell on this yesterday...I did not really have the time to read it yet, but it seems interesting. I am just wondering if it could help with the wining sound in our CVT.

http://www.gearsmagazine.com/magazine/v ... 4542abc238

There is an article ''And Get started repairing Jatco's JF011E CVT in Tales From The Bench'' (pages 15 to 24 I believe...)

[golftango]

Makes me happy I have a 6MT.

[paininthenuts]

$9000 for a new CVT is absurd. That's about twice the value of your entire car with a working transmission with that mileage. Can't blame you for ditching the car.

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This all alien to me. I never keep a car once it reaches two years. I never keep a car that has done more than 20,000 miles, and I haven't put tyres on a car for years and years.

[LPSISRL]

I haven't had a car payment in years and years and years...

[KuroNekko]

$9000 for a new CVT is absurd. That's about twice the value of your entire car with a working transmission with that mileage. Can't blame you for ditching the car.

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This all alien to me. I never keep a car once it reaches two years. I never keep a car that has done more than 20,000 miles, and I haven't put tyres on a car for years and years.

Many people do that with a lease. It's like renting a car for a few years and then getting a new one at the end of the lease term. In fact, a large percentage of European luxury cars are leased in America and it's why some of us call them "lease-mobiles". The owners driving these new BMWs, Audis, etc. don't actually own them but essentially rent them with a lease.
It's also why I personally believe Euro brands have little incentive to improve their poor reliability and high cost of ownership. They know the majority of their owners lease them and get new ones by the time the warranty runs out. It's also why these cars tank fast in resale value on the used market. They essentially only hold strong value when new and in ten years, see some insane value depreciation percentages compared to simple Japanese cars like the Honda Civic. They know that reliability and longevity aren't selling points to leasers, but power, technology, and luxury are. Hence, the European luxury brands cater to that.

I'm on the other boat like LPSISRL. I like to buy used and pay in full. I then own the car from Day 1 and don't pay interest. This means it's a good idea to drive the car for a while. This is also why I'm big on reliability and low cost of ownership hence gravitate towards Japanese cars. I like to drive them into high mileage to maximize their value and also like to work on them myself. It's also why I'm quite apprehensive about new technologies that haven't been rigorously tested over time. Direct Injection, turbochargers, CVTs, etc. all compromise reliability and longevity despite their benefits like efficiency and power. While I'm not opposed to them nor trying to avoid them, I'm more cautious because I like the idea of driving my car into high mileage without many issues to worry about.

[Ronzuki]

Kuro, in light of avoiding 'new and unproven' which I agree goes against reliability and longevity concerns, I was wondering what your thoughts are on Toyota's 'new' (old) Atkinson V6 engine strategy? Toyota had been the pillar of Japanese reliability seemingly forever.
Also, I couldn't agree more with your last post, only I prefer to buy new leftovers at a discount so as to not inherent someone else's headache. The unknown of the CVT in the Kiz was giving me a bit of angst before, and right up until, I signed. I decided to take a leap of Suzuki faith on that one. So far so good for me at least.

[nytq]

I too like the idea of sticking to proven technology. And that was my goal with the Kizzy, until I was given the bad news that the AWD version is only a CVT . And like Ronzuki I bit the bullet and took my chances. I never liked auto trans, but being restricted to the CVT for AWD, I was left with no choice. And so far 100K miles, 5 years later, not one issue. Now that does not mean I'm in love with CVT or even auto trans. I would still prefer a manual AWD vehicle. My next vehicle will be that (even though the options are very limited). Although I have a feeling no matter what I would prefer, some new tech will have to be dealt with. In my case probably turbo.

[WESHOOT2]

I smash my accelerator pedal right to the floor..........hahahahahahaha ha!

I was actually pondering my CVT this very morning on my banzai-run to work, thinking how maybe the way I "use" my cars is literally what makes them last: "Use it or lose it".

[nytq]

I never felt this car had enough power to justify "smashing the accelerator" as Weshoot2 puts it LOL. But I have always used the semi-auto shifting ability. That has given me somewhat of a manual feel and more control on the revs. But still just not enough power going thru the "rubber band" for my liking. It will do just fine, but nothing exhilarating.

[WESHOOT2]

Mine, at times, bangs 'shifts'.

Perhaps my ECU 'learned' my throttle behavior?