What Did You Do With Your Kizashi Today?

[~tc~]

it's well documented in other sites and reviews that LED bulbs aren't great in projectors. Keep in mind I know this because I did quite a bit of research in other forums, websites, and even contacted VLEDS directly before I decided to get the LED conversion kit. They all pretty much say to avoid putting the LEDs in projector lenses.

Post links/evidence. All of my research said it had nothing to do with HID vs LED vs Halogen - it only had to do with the position of the lamination source, and that a quality bulb that puts the light source the proper distance into the housing will be the same. The same research said both HID and LED have a smaller point source of lamination than incandescent bulbs and are therefore going to be more sensitive to location within the housing. This is also backed up with evidence of cheap HID kits vs better ones, as there is better construction resulting in much tighter tolerance on where the light originates from.

That being said, I'm not opposed to merely switching the bulbs without driving the car, but I'd be doing this during the day in my driveway so the output difference between HID and LED won't be noticeable in photographs, making any uploaded photos rather worthless for people to see and compare.

That is acceptable. The whole question is more about the cutoff, and so if you have a shady garage door or something close by the car, we should be able to see how sharp the cutoff is.

Hypothetically, even if the LEDs worked well in the Kizashi's low beam projectors, I'd still have my Morimoto HIDs in there as low beams and the LEDs as DRL/Highs for the reasons I've discussed in the thread related to this topic.

Of course, HIDs should be used in the low beams, 3000 lumens and widely available vs 2000 lumens only available through VLEDs (not that there's a problem with them as a vendor - just one source is all) for a similar price or cheaper is enough reason by itself to overcome the inherent life advantage of LED. This is a scientific question only you have the resources to answer with actual experimental evidence.

[KuroNekko]

I won't be able to post the links to all the sites because I can't be bothered to find them all again. However, I do recall reading about it in a Legacy, Veloster, and an Accord forum. Also, read the reviews for the VLEDS CXA kit (what I have) here: http://www.vleds.com/review/product/lis ... gory/1334/
There is one who states he uses it in a projector lens and the light is scattered.
Also, in the thread I created for this topic, I copied and pasted email correspondence I had with VLEDS. They explicitly wrote that their LED kits are not recommended for use in projector lenses and advised to get a HID kit instead.

In fact, I'm seeing that VLEDS just released a brand new line of LED conversion kits called the "MT-G2". Some versions like the H4 output 3000 lumens, according to them. On the page for the new kit for H11 bulbs, they write "Not recomended for projector headlamps." Found here: http://www.vleds.com/headlights/led-hea ... -mtg2.html

My understanding is that it has to do with how the LEDs are mounted. They are surface-mounted unlike halogens and HIDs which are glass-suspended. Therefore they radiate light differently in terms of direction. This affects the refraction of light inside the projector housing for throw out the lens.

I also don't have a very good place to throw the light onto even if I was to do the swap of the LEDs into the projectors. I'm planning to do the capacitor harness installation during the day tomorrow so the daylight, poor throw location, and the short throw distance will all work against getting an accurate depiction of how the LEDs in the projectors will perform to cast light on the road at night.

I know I'm the only one who has this kit to show everyone, but I've spent an insane amount of time with tutorials and reviews on the lighting mods I've made. I'm simply at a point where I don't want to waste time with experiments and just want to finalize my Kizashi's lighting projects. I apologize for the disappointment, but these mods are just as available to others for purchase as they were to me. Hell, VLEDS now offers a newer, higher output "MT-G2" kit that I'm sure will be offered in H7 soon. Maybe someone else can get these and play with them for all of us to see (though that heat sink/fan base looks rather bulky and may not fit the Kizashi's headlight housing with the dust cap on).

[~tc~]

Ok, so you have no actual evidence, the best you can pull is from someone who can't even spell.

Got it.

[KuroNekko]

Ok, so you have no actual evidence, the best you can pull is from someone who can't even spell.

Got it.

Still playing this game, are we?
Look, go do your own research like I have done before I bought the VLEDS kit.
I have no obligation to prove anything to you because I've made no accusatory remarks against you.
If you really want to prove me wrong, you go buy yourself a LED conversion kit, install it in the low beam projector, and post on-the-road photos.
However, you'd just be smarter to find internet discussions of people have already done that and advised against LEDs in projectors.
You are also completely neglecting the fact that the very company who offers these LED kits advise against putting them in projectors. Why don't you go ask them why?

[~tc~]

That's not how modern culture works. You make a claim, someone calls you out on it, you prove it ... Just like it did in the forced induction thread by teaching the forum basics of internal combustion thermodynamics.

You're a litigator, you should know how this works. You're not an expert witness, or at least you haven't established that you have any special training or knowledge to justify that, you will need to prove your point with evidence.

I have provided similar evidence as you have which counters your point, with actual scientific principles, now you can either concede you're wrong, or produce more compelling evidence than I have. That's how it works, that's how people on fora learn things, and that's how you contribute to the advancement of society, not by telling everyone "back up my outrageous claims for me".

[sx4rocious]

I kinda like this thread... can we not get it closed too? please? for the sake of those that look for non-personal no argument information on our cars?

[KuroNekko]

That's not how modern culture works. You make a claim, someone calls you out on it, you prove it ... Just like it did in the forced induction thread by teaching the forum basics of internal combustion thermodynamics.

You're a litigator, you should know how this works. You're not an expert witness, or at least you haven't established that you have any special training or knowledge to justify that, you will need to prove your point with evidence.

I have provided similar evidence as you have which counters your point, with actual scientific principles, now you can either concede you're wrong, or produce more compelling evidence than I have. That's how it works, that's how people on fora learn things, and that's how you contribute to the advancement of society, not by telling everyone "back up my outrageous claims for me".

Nice try, but I'm simply not interested in proving anything more than the extent that I have. It's not that I can't, but rather not. It's obvious that hostility and feuding is not appreciated here as the members are pretty chill folks who are getting tired of argumentative antics. I personally don't mind arguing as argument is an essential part of my occupation, but I just don't care to keep going at it in a place like an online car forum. I don't mind discussion, but hostile accusations are vapid at this point.
I think I've provided more than my fair share to the curiosity and knowledge-base regarding the topic at hand.
Peace.

[jono]

Today was such a nice day I decided to wash, wax and clean the whole car from top to bottom.

[~tc~]

Nice try, but I'm simply not interested in proving anything more than the extent that I have. It's not that I can't, but rather not. It's obvious that hostility and feuding is not appreciated here as the members are pretty chill folks who are getting tired of argumentative antics. I personally don't mind arguing as argument is an essential part of my occupation, but I just don't care to keep going at it in a place like an online car forum. I don't mind discussion, but hostile accusations are vapid at this point.
I think I've provided more than my fair share to the curiosity and knowledge-base regarding the topic at hand.
Peace.

Thanks for proving my point. Internet fora are full of people like you who want their opinion to be seen as fact, and when push comes to shove, they say something like the above making out to take the high road because anything else either proves them wrong or an asshole. The bad thing is they invariably suck in the sheeple who like to believe what the person says, regardless of the facts.

I've sent an email to VLEDs for you, we'll see what they have to say.

[~tc~]

Today was such a nice day I decided to wash, wax and clean the whole car from top to bottom.

Love that blue!